MOAB Dropped in Afghanistan

[Smitty-48]

I think the contemporary Islamic Terrorism comes from World War One, just like everything else. The Germans tried to recruit and incite Muslims in the Empire to insurge against the British, on the British side, T.E. Lawrence recruiting the Arabs to overthrow the Turks by assymetrical warfare.

Before Lawrence, the Arabs never even considered it, after Lawrence, they knew that they could take down Empires, and the legend lived on.

[Speaker to Animals]

Suicide attacks were taught to Palestinians by Japanese radicals in the late 1970s. It spread from there.

Another point for Pinochet's argument..

[Smitty-48]

I don't even see the PLO/PFLP model as being contemporary, that's not even how they operate, taking over a Caliphate in the middle of Syraq, that's Lawrence of Arabia all the way.

They would never admit it of course, because Lawrence is an infidel, but the reality is, Jihadis are a British invention.

Like Bin Laden's original mandate which set him on this war; defending Saudi Arabia from Saddam Hussein by Jihad Army? That ain't no PLO shit, that's Seven Pillars of Wisdom right there, right thur.

Ol' King Faisal & Co, they couldn't do shit, couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag, one British Army Special Forces officer shows up and takes over, next thing you know, they've defeated the Ottoman Empire.

The Arabs weren't the crazy ones, the Arabs said that Lawrence was the crazy one. The Arabs weren't that brutal, the Arabs said that Lawrence was too brutal. The Arabs weren't suicidal, the Arabs said that Lawrence was the one on a suicide mission.

Lawrence of Arabia invented this shit, and the Arabs have been trying to duplicate him ever since.

[BjornP]

Suicide attacks were taught to Palestinians by Japanese radicals in the late 1970s. It spread from there.

Another point for Pinochet's argument..

You got the date about right, but suicide bombing came from Iran's Ayatollah Khomenei, during the Iraq-Iranian war. It spread from Shia to Sunni Islam via Hezbollah in Lebanon on to the Palestinians.

That said, attacking an enemy with swords or guns, hoping to take out as many as possible, knowing full well you're going to die, was probably celebrated long before that. That would be considered heroic in our cultures, too, though.

[Alexander PhiAlipson]

[TheReal_ND]

I still see hills. Not impressed

[Speaker to Animals]

Suicide attacks were taught to Palestinians by Japanese radicals in the late 1970s. It spread from there.

Another point for Pinochet's argument..

You got the date about right, but suicide bombing came from Iran's Ayatollah Khomenei, during the Iraq-Iranian war. It spread from Shia to Sunni Islam via Hezbollah in Lebanon on to the Palestinians.

That said, attacking an enemy with swords or guns, hoping to take out as many as possible, knowing full well you're going to die, was probably celebrated long before that. That would be considered heroic in our cultures, too, though.

It was exported to Palestine by the Japanese Red Army. The first example was an airport attack in 1972. The Japanese Marxists taught them kamikaze tactics that they adapted into a new sense of "martyrdom".

[BjornP]

You got the date about right, but suicide bombing came from Iran's Ayatollah Khomenei, during the Iraq-Iranian war. It spread from Shia to Sunni Islam via Hezbollah in Lebanon on to the Palestinians.

That said, attacking an enemy with swords or guns, hoping to take out as many as possible, knowing full well you're going to die, was probably celebrated long before that. That would be considered heroic in our cultures, too, though.

It was exported to Palestine by the Japanese Red Army. The first example was an airport attack in 1972. The Japanese Marxists taught them kamikaze tactics that they adapted into a new sense of "martyrdom".

The latter link looks mostly like an Islamic site trying to deflect responsibility and associations to terrorism by pointing the blame anywhere but at Islam.

According this description of the Israeli airport, it's not clear if the Red Army Japanese accidentally got himself blewn up or if it was intentional. To claim that "they taught them kamikaze tactics" is a very long stretch, given that members of a devotedly Communist terrorist organization would be extremely ideologically opposed to the sort of emperor-as-god worship that inspired the WW2 Japanese pilots to go on kamikaze attacks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lod_Airport_massacre

Even your link to the Japanese Red Army link isn't saying that they taught suicide bombing to PLFP. And even if that site's story was true, and I've never ever heard of that interpretation before, Ayatollah Khomenei also did encourage suicide bombings in the same timeframe. But as I said, I'm leaning towards your article simply be the work of an apologist. It was an interesting article nevertheless. I knew that the German Red Army Fraktion also collaborated with the PLFP, for example.

[Speaker to Animals]

Okay, whatever, man.

[Ex-California]

I still see hills. Not impressed

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