Europe, Boring Until it's Not

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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by C-Mag » Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:06 pm

Montegriffo wrote:
Sun Dec 16, 2018 12:54 pm

This is why I support authoritarian measures on this, I just don't think we will do anything otherwise.
Of course, it gets interpreted as just another socialist, wealth distribution scheme by those who think taxation is theft and all government is bad.
/shrug
Should we consider humanely dispatching the mentally retarded, the elderly with dementia?
They are really just sucking up resources and causing harm to the planet with no return.
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Ph64 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:32 am

C-Mag wrote:
Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:06 pm
Montegriffo wrote:
Sun Dec 16, 2018 12:54 pm

This is why I support authoritarian measures on this, I just don't think we will do anything otherwise.
Of course, it gets interpreted as just another socialist, wealth distribution scheme by those who think taxation is theft and all government is bad.
/shrug
Should we consider humanely dispatching the mentally retarded, the elderly with dementia?
They are really just sucking up resources and causing harm to the planet with no return.
...and then if course there's the JQ. :roll:

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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Hastur » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:03 am

A couple of thoughts on carbon footprint labels. Assuming we can reliably get that information and it will be unbiased.

What is the carbon footprint of the organization we will have to put in place to label everything correctly?

Will labelling be mandatory? In that case, it will be a barrier to entry to the market. Not good for consumers who want as much competition as possible.

Think of the massive cognitive dissonance it will cause to people when they are confronted with opposing virtue messages. Such as

- Imported South American beef is not only cheaper, but it also has less carbon footprint. Still, we are constantly being told to buy locally produced beef.

- Organically produced crops have way larger carbon footprint. It is also more expensive. No way to shop without feeling guilty. (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0757-z)
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Montegriffo » Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:46 am

C-Mag wrote:
Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:06 pm
Montegriffo wrote:
Sun Dec 16, 2018 12:54 pm

This is why I support authoritarian measures on this, I just don't think we will do anything otherwise.
Of course, it gets interpreted as just another socialist, wealth distribution scheme by those who think taxation is theft and all government is bad.
/shrug
Should we consider humanely dispatching the mentally retarded, the elderly with dementia?
They are really just sucking up resources and causing harm to the planet with no return.
Is this the bit where I rant about the other side having nothing except shouting ''Nazi'' ;)
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Montegriffo » Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:53 am

Hastur wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:03 am
A couple of thoughts on carbon footprint labels. Assuming we can reliably get that information and it will be unbiased.

What is the carbon footprint of the organization we will have to put in place to label everything correctly?

Will labelling be mandatory? In that case, it will be a barrier to entry to the market. Not good for consumers who want as much competition as possible.

Think of the massive cognitive dissonance it will cause to people when they are confronted with opposing virtue messages. Such as

- Imported South American beef is not only cheaper, but it also has less carbon footprint. Still, we are constantly being told to buy locally produced beef.

- Organically produced crops have way larger carbon footprint. It is also more expensive. No way to shop without feeling guilty. (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0757-z)
Looks like that might have been an interesting article. Shame it costs money to read it.
Just goes to show that useful information has a cost, I suppose.
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:28 am

Hastur wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:03 am
A couple of thoughts on carbon footprint labels. Assuming we can reliably get that information and it will be unbiased.

What is the carbon footprint of the organization we will have to put in place to label everything correctly?

Will labelling be mandatory? In that case, it will be a barrier to entry to the market. Not good for consumers who want as much competition as possible.

Think of the massive cognitive dissonance it will cause to people when they are confronted with opposing virtue messages. Such as

- Imported South American beef is not only cheaper, but it also has less carbon footprint. Still, we are constantly being told to buy locally produced beef.

- Organically produced crops have way larger carbon footprint. It is also more expensive. No way to shop without feeling guilty. (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0757-z)
People can make similar heuristic decisions to what they make using nutrition or energy consumption labels. Sometimes I just want that box of donuts. Somebody might just want the appliance that has some unique feature, even as it is not the most energy efficient option.

Opposing people even having access to information strikes me as ridiculous as progressivism. It seems to me that some folks are opposed to it because they do not want people to think about human pollution at all for political reasons.

Opposing information disclosures for political reasons is hardly defensible, which is why DB proceeded to just insult Monty instead of argue his case, and Nick threw out irrelevant stories of nanny statism in a slippery slope fallacy.

You were actually the only one on Team Fuck Labels who actually argued your case. You have good points, but they only apply to goals that I think are not really the point here. It does not have to be a perfect accounting of carbon pollution, and the goal is not for people to always choose the products with the smallest footprint.

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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by TheReal_ND » Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:59 am

What would we do with Icke? No matter where you go, Kabbalah, prison yards, mosh pits, track and field running, car racing... (need I go on?); they all go in counter-clockwise circles... I've wondered about that... Someone tell me why?!? This is why LSD-25 is illegal. Hofmann said in his true memoirs that it was no 'accident' - that was a story given to the press because he felt the true story was too much for the Christian World to handle. LSD-25 binds almost perfectly with Serotonin 5-HT2A receptors and others, which are normally dormant while one is awake. These receptors cause dreaming and 'program' the brain while we sleep. LSD is the only way we can directly 'reprogram' the brain. Hofmann said that angels whom were our perfected selves from the future gave him this 'perfect molecule', called so because is has such bioactive affinity and its perfect combination of the organic and the synthetic. The police who enforce the evil laws, carry the symbol of Satan, the five pointed star, around with them everywhere they go. It helps to lump this tool of the angels in with crack and other drugs to keep it in darkness. Hofmann said that they knew exactly what they were going for; the 25th level of LSD and when he took it for the first time, his office disappeared and he watched the big bang and the galaxies and universe form. He was afraid that so soon after WWII, being in a Slavic country, creating a chemical in a lab that could cause what could be considered a 'religious' experience, was too dangerous for them. Hence the 'story' about the accidental dosing and the bike-ride home. We are being denied this tool by the forces of ignorance and hate, while all our energy / money goes to the military of hate and greed. $700 Billion now in 2018. Am I the only one that sees something wrong with that? People must be okay with this, because they voted for Trump, not saying the other was any good either, but he is the most selfish narcissistic person I have ever seen. That says something about our country, and why I hate it... of course, hate is not the way... only love can solve our problems. I have no love in my life. How about you? I am not advocating using LSD - for one reason, that you won't be getting LSD-25 (Perfect Molecule). You would be lucky to get LSD-23 (Fantasia). Even if you're lucky you would be getting something like LSD-50 (Silver - the inorganic waste) or Lavender (the organic waste)... these are the waste by-products, and should never really be taken. You would probably be getting LSA (the Amide form), and not even LSD! Go to the Czech Republic if you want to find the real thing. In all my travels I only saw LSD-25 once in my lifetime... but that's another story entirely. I 'heard' that a person could go into any memory they wanted to and replay it, as real as you're sitting there now... pretty cool... We are denied this perfection and only given hate in the form of taxes and prisons and constant warfare.... is this really hell? I feel like it is becoming hell a lot quicker than I thought it would in my lifetime.

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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by TheReal_ND » Mon Dec 17, 2018 6:03 am

Fine. I'll give you the big enchilada.
We are a slave race of space aliens, but we have souls and creativity which is why malevolent aliens hate us.

tldr; There are other species than man surrounding this universe. They are like the ones you see on TV and read on scifi literature.
It's all part of a technique called revelation of the method.

Revelation of the method prevents future shock from people. Seeing the technology and aliens in Star Trek films, the public is not as shocked when the elite scientists decide to reveal the latest (in reality decades old) technology to the public, because it's something they are familiar with in films.
Doing this also avoid the karmic repercussions of the next life (spoiler: you have a soul) since it was already told to you, but you did not do anything against it.
It's a loophole they found in the laws of free will.

So humans were seeded in this earth to mine gold for the Annunaki. By editing chimps DNA they found a way to block the spiritual senses so that we are stuck with five senses. Only some people have managed to develop their pineal gland and chakras to higher levels (Jesus, Buddha etc.). It's entirely possible but also something the food industry does it's best to fight against.

The reptilians, who built the pyramids, became the Gods of Egypt. They impregnated earthly women (Bible's story of Nephilim). The lineage from these beings traces to the elite that is now in control of this world. They consider themselves better than us.

Before the big UFO sights of the late 40s, a scientist called Jack Parson worked together with Crowley and opened the gates to interdimensional beings (Lam). After that started the sudden flood of UFO sights such as Roswell.

Roswell crashes were legit UFOs, and reverse engineering bought us the exponential advancement in tech we have today.

As even Eisenhower's daughter admits with whistleblowers, Eisenhower met with Nordic aliens during cold war.
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Nordics were concerned with the way nuclear weapons were developing and offered co-operation with the government at that itme.

Eisenhower really fucked up, and I mean really fucking fucked up. He denied, and instead agreed to have a deal with Greys, autonomous organic robots.

Greys got to abduct a certain amount of people safely, and in exchange US got the advanced tech. This became to known as the Grenada treaty. The treaty was violated as the number of abductions grew

Since then Greys and Reptilians have resided in underground bases such as Dulce, which is currently working on soul capturing devices and cloning.

This will never be disclosed. There will be fake new age guru hoaxes like Corey Goode, Q, Wilcock etc.

Our only hope is that the nazis who evacuated to Antarctis after WW2 will return, or Nordics come back.

Sadly it's our decision from where to go now. Aliens won't save us, only we can save ourselves. I don't see that happening as the AI is developing so fast that soon it's either soul trade (microchip) or death.

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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Montegriffo » Mon Dec 17, 2018 6:09 am

TheReal_ND wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:59 am
What would we do with Icke? No matter where you go, Kabbalah, prison yards, mosh pits, track and field running, car racing... (need I go on?); they all go in counter-clockwise circles... I've wondered about that... Someone tell me why?!? This is why LSD-25 is illegal. Hofmann said in his true memoirs that it was no 'accident' - that was a story given to the press because he felt the true story was too much for the Christian World to handle. LSD-25 binds almost perfectly with Serotonin 5-HT2A receptors and others, which are normally dormant while one is awake. These receptors cause dreaming and 'program' the brain while we sleep. LSD is the only way we can directly 'reprogram' the brain. Hofmann said that angels whom were our perfected selves from the future gave him this 'perfect molecule', called so because is has such bioactive affinity and its perfect combination of the organic and the synthetic. The police who enforce the evil laws, carry the symbol of Satan, the five pointed star, around with them everywhere they go. It helps to lump this tool of the angels in with crack and other drugs to keep it in darkness. Hofmann said that they knew exactly what they were going for; the 25th level of LSD and when he took it for the first time, his office disappeared and he watched the big bang and the galaxies and universe form. He was afraid that so soon after WWII, being in a Slavic country, creating a chemical in a lab that could cause what could be considered a 'religious' experience, was too dangerous for them. Hence the 'story' about the accidental dosing and the bike-ride home. We are being denied this tool by the forces of ignorance and hate, while all our energy / money goes to the military of hate and greed. $700 Billion now in 2018. Am I the only one that sees something wrong with that? People must be okay with this, because they voted for Trump, not saying the other was any good either, but he is the most selfish narcissistic person I have ever seen. That says something about our country, and why I hate it... of course, hate is not the way... only love can solve our problems. I have no love in my life. How about you? I am not advocating using LSD - for one reason, that you won't be getting LSD-25 (Perfect Molecule). You would be lucky to get LSD-23 (Fantasia). Even if you're lucky you would be getting something like LSD-50 (Silver - the inorganic waste) or Lavender (the organic waste)... these are the waste by-products, and should never really be taken. You would probably be getting LSA (the Amide form), and not even LSD! Go to the Czech Republic if you want to find the real thing. In all my travels I only saw LSD-25 once in my lifetime... but that's another story entirely. I 'heard' that a person could go into any memory they wanted to and replay it, as real as you're sitting there now... pretty cool... We are denied this perfection and only given hate in the form of taxes and prisons and constant warfare.... is this really hell? I feel like it is becoming hell a lot quicker than I thought it would in my lifetime.
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by TheReal_ND » Mon Dec 17, 2018 6:11 am

Stop replying to my David Icke youtube comment section copy pasta