Europe, Boring Until it's Not

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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Fife » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:38 am

Thank the Lord for the FDA and the USDA, I reckon.

At least the state saves us from "market failure," amirite?

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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Montegriffo » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:39 am

DBTrek wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:34 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:32 am
Every time you think some Americans have reached peak ignorance then they mock you for wanting to be informed.
I mock you for poor cost analysis on your information, and poor sourcing. Unverifiable carbon footprint number on your food packages tells you nothing about the contents or nutritional value of your food.
Marking foods nutritional content has already been mandatory for decades.
Information on the carbon footprint and welfare standards is an extension of that.
Why are you arguing to continue your own ignorance?
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:40 am

It's similar in a weird way to their VAT tax, though. You could calculate the carbon footprint of almost every good the same way they calculate the value added in every good.

It would be more difficult for Americans because we only have taxes at the point of sale.
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by DBTrek » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:40 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:35 am

What was that you were saying only yesterday about not giving up just because something isn't easy?
But fleecing suckers by appealing to their hubris IS easy. That’s what the government has figured out, and you have not.

This isn’t a boondoggle to create more government jobs which will ultimately result in higher taxation and food prices. Nope. This is a fact-finding mission to inform consumers of the carbon footprint value of the products they consume. And they’ll know that carbon footprint number because we will tell them what it is. And if they have any further questions or skepticism on the numbers we provide, they can go fuck themselves because there’s no way in hell they can hire a research team to challenge our assertions.

:lol:

Talk about feel-good scam of the year.
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:42 am

It honestly would not be difficult for them to do this. It just becomes part of the VAT tax to include a number corresponding to the carbon footprint of every good. All the inputs to manufacturing have this calculated already, going all the way back to the raw materials. They already have the system in place to do this.

The danger of course is that they will be tempted to just tax the carbon footprint in addition to the value added, but alas.. Maybe that would be a fair way to do it. I dunno.

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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Montegriffo » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:45 am

DBTrek wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:40 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:35 am

What was that you were saying only yesterday about not giving up just because something isn't easy?
But fleecing suckers by appealing to their hubris IS easy. That’s what the government has figured out, and you have not.

This isn’t a boondoggle to create more government jobs which will ultimately result in higher taxation and food prices. Nope. This is a fact-finding mission to inform consumers of the carbon footprint value of the products they consume. And they’ll know that carbon footprint number because we will tell them what it is. And if they have any further questions or skepticism on the numbers we provide, they can go fuck themselves because there’s no way in hell they can hire a research team to challenge our assertions.

:lol:

Talk about feel-good scam of the year.
Derpa derpa derp-derp
You think that the companies hardest hit won't take it to the courts if they think the figures aren't accurate.
You are just making excuses for wanting to remain uninformed.
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by DBTrek » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:46 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:39 am
Marking foods nutritional content has already been mandatory for decades.
Information on the carbon footprint and welfare standards is an extension of that.
Right. Just like half naked queers wearing feathered boas and making out on bicycles is an extension of MLKs march from Selma to Montgomery.

By adopting similar rhetoric and appearance two completely dissimilar things are quickly accepted as “related” by really dumb people.

Arbitrary, unverifiable, carbon footprint info is the same as nutritional information. They’re both going to be labels on food. Duh.
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Fife » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:49 am

DBTrek wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:46 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:39 am
Marking foods nutritional content has already been mandatory for decades.
Information on the carbon footprint and welfare standards is an extension of that.
Right. Just like half naked queers wearing feathered boas and making out on bicycles is an extension of MLKs march from Selma to Montgomery.

By adopting similar rhetoric and appearance two completely dissimilar things are quickly accepted as “related” by really dumb people.

Arbitrary, unverifiable, carbon footprint info is the same as nutritional information. They’re both going to be labels on food. Duh.
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Target, Amazon, and the Walmart are going to love love LOVE these new carbon labeling regulations. It's the surest way to guarantee their domination of market share and to drive competitors out of the "free" market.

That's in addition to the "information" in the labeling being worth much worse than nothing.

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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Montegriffo » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:50 am

DBTrek wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:46 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:39 am
Marking foods nutritional content has already been mandatory for decades.
Information on the carbon footprint and welfare standards is an extension of that.
Right. Just like half naked queers wearing feathered boas and making out on bicycles is an extension of MLKs march from Selma to Montgomery.

By adopting similar rhetoric and appearance two completely dissimilar things are quickly accepted as “related” by really dumb people.

Arbitrary, unverifiable, carbon footprint info is the same as nutritional information. They’re both going to be labels on food. Duh.
:lol:
Well, excuse me for responding to your comment about nutritional advice. If you thought it wasn't related why did you bring it up in the first place?

Link to arbitrary and unverifiable please or is that ''just your opinion man''?
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:55 am

Why even have regulations at all? We need libertarian freedom!