Europe, Boring Until it's Not

[Speaker to Animals]

Look at Monty noticing a problem with globalism without realizing it.

[Montegriffo]

Single issue lo-info post. ^^^

[Speaker to Animals]

LOL

Big Agra importing veggies from the other side of the planet when those veggies are locally in season is a pretty big example of how the globalist pursuit of profit above all does not result in the best outcomes.

Globalism is the primary cause of much of the increased global pollution.

[The Conservative]

Phillidephia USA (not the real one near Newcastle, England) 10th most polluted city in the world.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/air-po ... ties-2018/

Unlike nearby Washington, it post-dates its namesake in the United States, being named during the American Revolutionary War by a local colliery owner to commemorate the British capture of the city. The village cricket field is named "Bunker Hill", after another famous battle in that war.

And what is the ppm rates?

Also, that from 2012...

https://www.phillymag.com/be-well-phill ... uted-city/

[The Conservative]

8 out of 10 in the US are in CA for Ozone.

7 out of 10 in the US for year end is held by CA, and guess who has the most restrictive pollution protection in the US?

https://www.lung.org/our-initiatives/he ... ities.html

[JohnDonne]

I noticed you haven’t posted anything about the per capita pollution of big cities versus the average. Well, I looked but I couldn’t find any studies that give an obvious answer that weren’t contradicted by other analysis, there’s lots of variables. But I suspect the most densely crowded areas are more efficient and the suburbs give off more emissions.

You post it if that's where your argument lies.
But that's not how we look at environmental issues, it's in geographic area of pollution, concentration of pollutants, and cubic volume of pollutants.

NYC is 500 square miles of concentrated pollutants upon layer of pollutants over 350 years.

Doesn't the total destruction of Ecosystems mean anything to you ?
Do you think you can just ignore that level of pollution and environmental destruction on a per capita number ?

I’m not the one with the big ideas, you ought to make a sensible case before advocating public policy. Why would we green tax people more, or abolish their lifestyle if their lifestyle might be more carbon efficient? And how recent does an ecosystem have to have been destroyed for it to be taxable? Should people living in downtown Manhattan now indefinitely pay for ecosystems destroyed hundreds of years ago? Doesn’t seem like you’ve thought this one through.

[JohnDonne]

As for the other topic of rural vs urban pollution pr capita. Of course rural populations pollute more pr capita. You have to drive more to get your essentials in a rural geography than you would need to in a city.

Yet what conclusion are we to draw from that fact? That if only rural populations had more supermarkets and malls next to where they live, they wouldn't need to consume so much fuel; everything they needed would be within walking distance? Oh... that's great.. sooo.. the solution to rural populations polluting so much is to turn farmland and forests into cities. Great plan, that... sure that will do loads of good for the environment.

The questioning of the veracity of carlus’s proposed solutions does not imply that I hold the reverse negative position. I really think this urban/rural rivalry/gamesmanship is retarded and fake news.

[SuburbanFarmer]

I for one am quite happy to have tens of millions of cancerous urbanites and their pollution bottled up in select areas.

Just need the rest of these shopping malls to die off, and we’ll be on the right track.

[nmoore63]

Certainly the economies of scale can make cities more efficient per person in theory.

City folks tend to have much higher consumption rates than rural tho.

I don’t think that they do, actually.. at least not in terms of resources.

A crowded city diner vs a dozen small rural ones.

Apartment building housing 1,000 on one lot vs 500 homes with a yard, etc.

Cities absolutely have higher incomes that translate to consumption.

[heydaralon]

I for one am quite happy to have tens of millions of cancerous urbanites and their pollution bottled up in select areas.

Just need the rest of these shopping malls to die off, and we’ll be on the right track.

Fuck you, my grandfather was a polluter and a mallgoer!