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Post by C-Mag » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:22 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:To get a warrant, does somebody from the FBI not have to affirm under penalty of perjury that the probable cause evidence presented is to the best of his knowledge truthful and accurate?

If the FBI knowingly purchased bogus opposition research and used that to obtain a warrant to gather intelligence against the opposition party's campaign, then it seems to me more than a handful of people in that agency exposed themselves to prosecution and prison time. At the very least.

This really does appear to be without a doubt the worst political crime in our nation's history.

Who the hell knows what the standard is for a warrant in the FBI.

Not only the FBI bought it, but it appears all 17 Intelligence Agencies approved of the Dossier too. I point that out because the next thing that will be said to defend government illegally spying on US Citizens will be.......... ' Oh, you can't be too hard on them. It's not that the FBI is bad, it's probably just some poor work done by the FBI. It's not just the FBI. It's all the Intel Community, it's the DOJ, it's the FISA Court as well.
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Re: Russia! Russia!! Russia!!!

Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:31 am

C-Mag wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:To get a warrant, does somebody from the FBI not have to affirm under penalty of perjury that the probable cause evidence presented is to the best of his knowledge truthful and accurate?

If the FBI knowingly purchased bogus opposition research and used that to obtain a warrant to gather intelligence against the opposition party's campaign, then it seems to me more than a handful of people in that agency exposed themselves to prosecution and prison time. At the very least.

This really does appear to be without a doubt the worst political crime in our nation's history.

Who the hell knows what the standard is for a warrant in the FBI.

Not only the FBI bought it, but it appears all 17 Intelligence Agencies approved of the Dossier too. I point that out because the next thing that will be said to defend government illegally spying on US Citizens will be.......... ' Oh, you can't be too hard on them. It's not that the FBI is bad, it's probably just some poor work done by the FBI. It's not just the FBI. It's all the Intel Community, it's the DOJ, it's the FISA Court as well.

In my limited contact with the judicial system, EVERYTHING you present as a form (which I assume you need to fill out to get a warrant) says "under penalty of perjury", yada yada, beneath the signature line.

Now, I will grant you, I watched one woman lie constantly, openly, and everybody knew it (including the judge), and she was never held accountable. I mean, straight up documented evidence was presented that this bitch lied, committed perjury, and attempted to criminally defraud somebody, and nothing happened. So maybe it's just routine to ignore the rule of law if you are one of the special class that the court protects. Who knows. If so, I want that EMP bomb stat so the marxists will all die off and we can start over.

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Post by C-Mag » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:36 am

It's clear the Intelligence Community has been politicized. Time for an Inquisition, start with all the heads, Mueller, Comey, Rosenstein, McCabe, Holder, Rice, Clapper, Brennan............ We need a Special Counsel just to answer the type of questions you are asking and how our entire Itel Community spied on US Citizens on falsified evidence.
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Post by Ex-California » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:43 am

Stapleton was taking just yesterday about a EO from Regan that’s been modified by 43 and 44 that have essentially given the IC the ability to simply request a warrant just because potential crimes

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Post by C-Mag » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:46 am

California wrote:Stapleton was taking just yesterday about a EO from Regan that’s been modified by 43 and 44 that have essentially given the IC the ability to simply request a warrant just because potential crimes

Like post a pic of a weed leaf on FB and you’ll get the full terrorist treatment
Holy Shiite ! You're probably a suspect just for living in Kalifornia. :lol:

Need some serious reforms with this shit.
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Post by The Conservative » Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:11 pm

C-Mag wrote:
kybkh wrote:
Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:
I just took issue with the idea that the dossier was responsible for the special council.
Without the FISA ease dropping you don't have the Flynn story. You don't know about these other meetings, in which nothing out of the ordinary happened.

If Commey didn't use the Trump dossier to get FISA warrant would Trump had fired him?

If the dossier didn't exist would there even be a Russia-Gate?

The best possible light you can paint this in is the FBI used a opposition research piece to justify tapping a political opponents phone and in turn discovered that Trump campaign officials were in contact with Russians talking about nothing substantial.
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Post by Hanarchy Montanarchy » Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:32 pm

kybkh wrote:
Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:
I just took issue with the idea that the dossier was responsible for the special council.
Without the FISA ease dropping you don't have the Flynn story. You don't know about these other meetings, in which nothing out of the ordinary happened.

If Commey didn't use the Trump dossier to get FISA warrant would Trump had fired him?

If the dossier didn't exist would there even be a Russia-Gate?

The best possible light you can paint this in is the FBI used a opposition research piece to justify tapping a political opponents phone and in turn discovered that Trump campaign officials were in contact with Russians talking about nothing substantial.
The Flynn story started as an undisclosed conflict of interest over payments. Information that didn't require the Steel dossier, to my knowledge.

I know losing Flynn was hard on you ky, and I hope your grieving process is going well.

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Post by kybkh » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:32 pm

Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:
kybkh wrote:
Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:
I just took issue with the idea that the dossier was responsible for the special council.
Without the FISA ease dropping you don't have the Flynn story. You don't know about these other meetings, in which nothing out of the ordinary happened.

If Commey didn't use the Trump dossier to get FISA warrant would Trump had fired him?

If the dossier didn't exist would there even be a Russia-Gate?

The best possible light you can paint this in is the FBI used a opposition research piece to justify tapping a political opponents phone and in turn discovered that Trump campaign officials were in contact with Russians talking about nothing substantial.
The Flynn story started as an undisclosed conflict of interest over payments. Information that didn't require the Steel dossier, to my knowledge.

I know losing Flynn was hard on you ky, and I hope your grieving process is going well.

#thoughtsandprayers
:pray:
Guess you don't remember that Flynn was on of the first "unmaskings" and the trap which was set for him about the text exchange he had with the Russians following the election.

That's ok, you aren't supposed to pay attention to detail or recall what was reported more than 48 hours ago. You are a good boy.

This is reply 777 btw. Confirmed.
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Post by Hanarchy Montanarchy » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:53 pm

kybkh wrote:
Guess you don't remember that Flynn was on of the first "unmaskings" and the trap which was set for him about the text exchange he had with the Russians following the election.

That's ok, you aren't supposed to pay attention to detail or recall what was reported more than 48 hours ago. You are a good boy.

This is reply 777 btw. Confirmed.

Is this the bargaining, anger or denial stage of grief for you? There are shades of all three. 8-)
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Post by TheReal_ND » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:42 pm

The oddest part of the dossier revelations being that the WSJ has higher standards for evidence then the FBI. We actually knew that already though.