THE ERA OF TRUMP

[heydaralon]

All they did was hang out and design uniforms while decorating the house, Washington and Von Steuben was America's first gay marriage, but although Washington was rich, technically, he was only a Colonel, whereas Von Steuben was a Baron, rank hath its privileges, so no doubt Von Steuben was the one wearing the pants in the family, Barons don't have to bend over for Colonels, even when they get kicked out of Germany for being a big fag.

hmm

[TheReal_ND]

This meme doesn't check out.

[heydaralon]

The only thing worse than having a gay leader is having your empire get defeated by the same gay leader...

[Smitty-48]

Hetero-Homo wasn't even a paradigm in the 18th century, those terms weren't even invented until the 19th century, and the big Protestant backlash against faggotry doesn't show up until the Great Awakening in the 19th century as well, so back in the 18th, you could get away with a lot, you just had to have a Beard, and not be too blatant about it, but Von Steuben was so blatant about it, the Germans ran him right out of Germany, next thing you know; he's George Washington's live in boyfriend, er I mean; "fashion and decorating consultant"

[Alexander PhiAlipson]

All they did was hang out and design uniforms while decorating the house, Washington and Von Steuben was America's first gay marriage, but although Washington was rich, technically, he was only a Colonel, whereas Von Steuben was a Baron, rank hath its privileges, so no doubt Von Steuben was the one wearing the pants in the family, Barons don't have to bend over for Colonels, even when they get run out of Germany for being a big fag.

George Washington, Appointed Colonel-in-Chief, 1775.

[Fife]

Cock-holster for Al Hamilton

[heydaralon]

Hetero-Homo wasn't even a paradigm in the 18th century, those terms weren't even invented until the 19th century, and the big Protestant backlash against faggotry doesn't show up until the Great Awakening in the 19th century as well, so back in the 18th, you could get away with a lot, you just had to have a Beard, and not be too blatant about it, but Von Steuben was so blatant about it, the Germans ran him right out of Germany, next thing you know; he's George Washington's live in boyfriend, er I mean; "fashion and decorating consultant"

I've heard people make arguments like this before, and I do believe that there were plenty of famous people in history who were closeted. However, I think a lot of these attempts to paint the past as more tolerant of homos is a simplification. Even in sodomy-heavy ancient Greece, homosexuality was not without its detractors, and the homosexuality that was practiced was more akin to pederasty. The Greeks believed that when a boy was in his early teens, it was acceptable for him to be attractive to older men. So boys of good families would send their son off to a well connected old guy who would abuse the boy's ass until he became an adult and could no longer make the dirty old man's dick hard. In return for yielding his rectal cavity, the boy would be introduced to other old pedophiles with influence. These connections the boy made during his sex slave years would allow him to rise politically and one day molest young boys himself, perpetuating this cycle for centuries. Even Socrates the wise, would write about how he would have trouble controlling his erections around his pupils, especially the ravishing Alcibiades. Socrates was conflicted about this his entire life, and struggled against his impulses constantly. It remains unclear if he consummated the relationship with Alcibiades, but they did share a tent during the siege of Potidea. Here's the thing though: this remained a custom of the rich. To the common men of Athens, this sort of behavior was decadent and effete, and worthy of ridicule. Additionally, the kind of gay sex that was socially acceptable in ancient Greece was more akin to prison gay sex. As long as you were doing the penetrating, it was not considered gay. I read a book on Alexander the Great that claimed that a lot of his mental decline was the result of his men mocking his adult homosexual relationship with Hephastion. So to recap: yes, there were gay men in Greece, but it was a pursuit of the rich, it involved NAMBLA action, and was acceptable if you were the penetrator. Next time a liberal type brings up Greece and homosexuality as a talking point, remember this.

There were probably many exceptions, such as the Theban Sacred Band, but homosexuality was not considered a lifestyle so much a phase that rich men went through as young boys.

With that in mind, I still think the Greeks did some badass stuff and left a remarkable legacy on the West. It is important for modern scholars to be careful to focus on which legacy, or they could find themselves talking to Chris Hansen.

[Smitty-48]

George Washington, Appointed Colonel-in-Chief, 1775.

Washington wasn't a Colonel-in-Chief, Colonel-in-Chief is an honorary title, not even a rank, but Washington was never one neither, Washington's highest actual rank was Colonel, of the Virginia Regiment, in 1755.

[Penner]

I'm thinking that our Canadian friends don't get the same highlight reels of Stupid that we do. That probably explains this.

Nah, I do think that Capps is trolling us. It's that or he has decided that he has sided with the clown show because he just doesn't' get it.

[StCapps]

I'm thinking that our Canadian friends don't get the same highlight reels of Stupid that we do. That probably explains this.

Nah, I do think that Capps is trolling us. It's that or he has decided that he has sided with the clown show because he just doesn't' get it.

Actions speak louder than words, and it's telling that Trump's biggest haters are focused solely on his words and not his actions. That's just the way Trump likes it, there is a method to the madness, whether you are too blind to see it or not. Y'all are easily distracted by jingly keys.