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[adwinistrator]

They are practicing for an EMP attack?

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017 ... homefront/

They are not. EMP strikes via satellite are not based in reality.

The US conducted some testing in the 60's where high altitude nuclear tests created EMP blasts that disrupted electrical and communications networks in Hawaii, but it's not like this is something that is easily measured or calculated... 1.4 megatons, at an altitude of 250 miles, knocked out 300 streetlights and a telecom microwave link 900 miles away.

So how many megatons, at what altitude, and at what location, would be needed to cripple the entire US? Nobody knows for sure.

If this is used as a first strike, will it need to cripple the US to the point of being unable to launch a nuclear counter-attack? How likely is that? Would North Korea be willing to deploy a weapon that will ensure their destruction, without knowing if it's effectiveness is worth the retaliation? What if they detonate two nukes in orbit above the US, and it causes a few towns to temporarily lose power?

It's just not realistic in any way.

You are talking about two different things. A detonation in space is not the same thing as what this person alleges they will do. A detonation at the lower altitude absolutely could send part of our nation back to the 19th century.

Go read the Congressional report on the risk. When the congressmen at the hearing asked the experts what would happen, the experts said something to the effect that we could feed maybe tens of millions of people. One congressman said we have hundreds of millions of people. The expert replied: correct.

Don't think you are so high and mighty that all this can't be laid low in an afternoon.

I don't think I'm "so high and mighty", I'm saying the inherent risk of attempting an EMP attack is not worth the benefit. If this a first-strike, or retaliatory weapon? Why would it be used instead of a more reliable technology? What are the odds of hit producing the desired result, and what will the response be if it does not?

I understand how an EMP can do a lot of damage, but frankly a lot of the "cripple the entire country and kill 90% of us" talk is BS. Most of that, including the congressional report, was from Roscoe Bartlett. You want to hitch yourself to his bandwagon, go see if he'll let you live with him, off the grid, on his doomsday prepper cabin.

Please link the congressional reports if you know where to find them... When lots of people were talking about the "90% could die" part of those congressional reports, it came from Roscoe, and journalists tracked down where Roscoe got that number:

"I read a prepublication copy of a book called One Second After. I hope it does get published; I think the American people need to read it. It was the story of a ballistic missile EMP attack on our country. The weapon was launched from a ship off our shore, and then the ship was sunk so that there were no fingerprints. The weapon was launched about 300 miles high over Nebraska, and it shut down our infrastructure countrywide. The story runs for a year. It is set in the hills of North Carolina. At the end of the year, 90 percent of our population is dead; there are 25,000 people only still alive in New York City. The communities in the hills of North Carolina are more lucky: only 80 percent of their population is dead at the end of a year."

[SuburbanFarmer]

They are practicing for an EMP attack?

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017 ... homefront/

They are not. EMP strikes via satellite are not based in reality.

The US conducted some testing in the 60's where high altitude nuclear tests created EMP blasts that disrupted electrical and communications networks in Hawaii, but it's not like this is something that is easily measured or calculated... 1.4 megatons, at an altitude of 250 miles, knocked out 300 streetlights and a telecom microwave link 900 miles away.

So how many megatons, at what altitude, and at what location, would be needed to cripple the entire US? Nobody knows for sure.

If this is used as a first strike, will it need to cripple the US to the point of being unable to launch a nuclear counter-attack? How likely is that? Would North Korea be willing to deploy a weapon that will ensure their destruction, without knowing if it's effectiveness is worth the retaliation? What if they detonate two nukes in orbit above the US, and it causes a few towns to temporarily lose power?

It's just not realistic in any way.

You are talking about two different things. A detonation in space is not the same thing as what this person alleges they will do. A detonation at the lower altitude absolutely could send part of our nation back to the 19th century.

Go read the Congressional report on the risk. When the congressmen at the hearing asked the experts what would happen, the experts said something to the effect that we could feed maybe tens of millions of people. One congressman said we have hundreds of millions of people. The expert replied: correct.

Don't think you are so high and mighty that all this can't be laid low in an afternoon.

By Russia, sure. But we'd still launch everything and destroy the rest of the planet anyway.

I'm not reading a full Congressional report, but I am interested in evidence for this.

[Speaker to Animals]

They are not. EMP strikes via satellite are not based in reality.

The US conducted some testing in the 60's where high altitude nuclear tests created EMP blasts that disrupted electrical and communications networks in Hawaii, but it's not like this is something that is easily measured or calculated... 1.4 megatons, at an altitude of 250 miles, knocked out 300 streetlights and a telecom microwave link 900 miles away.

So how many megatons, at what altitude, and at what location, would be needed to cripple the entire US? Nobody knows for sure.

If this is used as a first strike, will it need to cripple the US to the point of being unable to launch a nuclear counter-attack? How likely is that? Would North Korea be willing to deploy a weapon that will ensure their destruction, without knowing if it's effectiveness is worth the retaliation? What if they detonate two nukes in orbit above the US, and it causes a few towns to temporarily lose power?

It's just not realistic in any way.

You are talking about two different things. A detonation in space is not the same thing as what this person alleges they will do. A detonation at the lower altitude absolutely could send part of our nation back to the 19th century.

Go read the Congressional report on the risk. When the congressmen at the hearing asked the experts what would happen, the experts said something to the effect that we could feed maybe tens of millions of people. One congressman said we have hundreds of millions of people. The expert replied: correct.

Don't think you are so high and mighty that all this can't be laid low in an afternoon.

By Russia, sure. But we'd still launch everything and destroy the rest of the planet anyway.

I'm not reading a full Congressional report, but I am interested in evidence for this.

The report and hearing was back after 9-11. It was overshadowed by the 9-11 Commission and forgotten.


Looks like the EMP Commission was resurrected in 2006:

http://www.empcommission.org

[KerningChameleon]

This is neither directly about North Korea or "news", but given the direction this discussion took it nevertheless seems relevant:

Moon Jae-in (the liberal) was elected as South Korea’s new president
May 10, 2017

Moon Jae-in won the presidential election in South Korea with 41.1 per cent of the vote, defeating his conservative challenger Hong Joon-pyo at 23.3 per cent.

It thought that the first liberal president in South Korea in nine years could take a softer stance on North Korea.

On the campaign trail, he has argued that South Korea has no choice but to recognise Kim Jong-un as the leader of its reclusive neighbour.

"We can’t deny that the ruler of the North Korean people is Kim Jong Un,” the Democratic Party candidate said in March.

“We have no choice but to recognise Kim Jong Un as a counterpart, whether we put pressure and impose sanctions on North Korea or hold dialogue."

...

Dr Liam McCarthy-Cotter, a specialist in East Asian politics at Nottingham Trent University, said: “Moon Jae-in has signalled that he is looking to adopt a less antagonistic and more open and diplomatic engagement with Pyongyang.

“This opens the scope for both engagement and de-escalation, giving the North Koreans a clear opportunity to transition to a less overtly hostile state of play.

“The concern is that such a shift from Seoul would not be received quite as favourably by the entire international community, in particular the United States who have their own approach to the tensions with North Korea, and in East Asia more generally.”

So, who's ready for Sunshine Policy 2.0?

[TheReal_ND]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/father-america ... d=48056081

Otto Warmbier, the American student who was imprisoned in North Korea for more than 17 months and was returned home to Ohio this week in a coma, suffers from injuries related to cardiopulmonary arrest and is in a state of unresponsive wakefulness, doctors from the University of Cincinnati Medical Center said this afternoon at a press conference.

"He shows no signs of understanding language ... He has not spoken. He has not engaged in any purposeful movements," Kanter said. "He has profound weakness of contraction in his arms and legs."

Fred Warmbier revealed that President Donald Trump phoned him Wednesday night to ask about his son and the rest of his family. Warmbier said Trump was "very candid" during the call and told him Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and other U.S. officials worked hard to negotiate Otto Warmbier's release.

Asked by a reporter whether he believes President Barack Obama's administration could have done more to secure Otto Warmbier's release, Fred Warmbier replied simply, "I think the results speak for themselves."

Can the norks do anything right? I thought these were the people with an underrated commie medical service.

[SuburbanFarmer]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/father-america ... d=48056081

Otto Warmbier, the American student who was imprisoned in North Korea for more than 17 months and was returned home to Ohio this week in a coma, suffers from injuries related to cardiopulmonary arrest and is in a state of unresponsive wakefulness, doctors from the University of Cincinnati Medical Center said this afternoon at a press conference.

"He shows no signs of understanding language ... He has not spoken. He has not engaged in any purposeful movements," Kanter said. "He has profound weakness of contraction in his arms and legs."

Fred Warmbier revealed that President Donald Trump phoned him Wednesday night to ask about his son and the rest of his family. Warmbier said Trump was "very candid" during the call and told him Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and other U.S. officials worked hard to negotiate Otto Warmbier's release.

Asked by a reporter whether he believes President Barack Obama's administration could have done more to secure Otto Warmbier's release, Fred Warmbier replied simply, "I think the results speak for themselves."

Can the norks do anything right? I thought these were the people with an underrated commie medical service.

Otto Warmbier visited North Korea as part of a tour organized by a Chinese-based company.

After a one-hour trial in March 2016, Otto Warmbier was convicted of attempting to steal a propaganda poster and sentenced to 15 years of hard labor.

The North Korean regime deemed him a "war criminal" and "brutalized and terrorized" him during his detainment, his father said.

1 - Those people are fucking crazy. Don't go to North Korea.

2 - What the fuck was he doing "on a tour" in North Korea?

3 - I'll bet they lobotomized him to keep his treatment a secret.

[TheReal_ND]

Idk ask Martin why he went (I think he said he went.) The kid was stupid but I guess now he's stupider. Missing a LOT of brainmass now supposedly from a "heart attack."

[Smitty-48]

They are not. EMP strikes via satellite are not based in reality.

The US conducted some testing in the 60's where high altitude nuclear tests created EMP blasts that disrupted electrical and communications networks in Hawaii, but it's not like this is something that is easily measured or calculated... 1.4 megatons, at an altitude of 250 miles, knocked out 300 streetlights and a telecom microwave link 900 miles away.

So how many megatons, at what altitude, and at what location, would be needed to cripple the entire US? Nobody knows for sure.

If this is used as a first strike, will it need to cripple the US to the point of being unable to launch a nuclear counter-attack? How likely is that? Would North Korea be willing to deploy a weapon that will ensure their destruction, without knowing if it's effectiveness is worth the retaliation? What if they detonate two nukes in orbit above the US, and it causes a few towns to temporarily lose power?

It's just not realistic in any way.

You are talking about two different things. A detonation in space is not the same thing as what this person alleges they will do. A detonation at the lower altitude absolutely could send part of our nation back to the 19th century.

Go read the Congressional report on the risk. When the congressmen at the hearing asked the experts what would happen, the experts said something to the effect that we could feed maybe tens of millions of people. One congressman said we have hundreds of millions of people. The expert replied: correct.

Don't think you are so high and mighty that all this can't be laid low in an afternoon.

By Russia, sure. But we'd still launch everything and destroy the rest of the planet anyway.

I'm not reading a full Congressional report, but I am interested in evidence for this.

The ionosphere is the medium in which the charged particles disperse over a wide area causing the wide area EMP effect, a detonation below the ionosphere only causes a localized EMP, it doesn't cause more effects the lower you go, there's a wide area EMP window as the detonation point passes through the ionosphere, below that the charged particles and associated EMP effect is not wide area, so the only way to do it, is detonation in space.

Mind you, an inbound trajectory is being plotted all the way from DSP launch detection, so launch on warning retaliation is in the air, long before the inbound reaches a wide area EMP detonation window in any case.

A nuclear EMP attack and a nuclear attack, there is no distinction, they would both be treated the same, with the same retaliatory ramifications, launch a nuke at the CONUS, doesn't make any difference what altitude you set it to detonate at, because the United States is not going to wait to find out before it launches the counterattack.

A single ICBM from North Korea is not going to warrant a massive retaliation, none the less, fully within America's capability to reduce Pyongyang into a radioactive ashtray, before their inbound reaches 50 miles above Kansas or wherever, and the NK's are of course aware.

The Russians would never bother with such a delicate process, as any attack from Russia is likely to warrant massive retaliation, so in the event of Russian preemptive counterforce, they would be going for all the marbles and straight at the jugular with everything they had.

Anything that would present to the NCA as a nuclear attack against the CONUS, is going to be the highest risk gambit in the history of high risk gambits, so if you're going to go, you go all they way.

[DBTrek]

Sonofabitch.

Maybe Smitty was right about that retarded nuke-mine dragging fishing trawler theory.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/16/politics/ ... index.html

[TheReal_ND]

CNN

I don't think your post means what you think it means.... wait