THE ERA OF TRUMP

[StCapps]

@Kath
You look for any evidence that could indicate he's an imbecile and dismiss any evidence that could indicate that such statements could be interpreted any other way..

Oh you Trump whisperer. Please do enlighten all of us with what Trump meant when he wondered why nobody had ever looked at the causes of the Civil War? What did he mean when he said a dead man was very vocal about the war?

He was being folksy? To what end? What is he deflecting?

He could easily be asking why America had to have a civil war when almost every other nation who had slavery ended it without having to fight a civil war to do so. Did you ever think of that? No you are too busy coming up with a negative reason why he said that, he can't possibly have been making the point I just made in a folksy way. Just assume Trump doesn't know anything about Civil War, that must be it, typical Kath.

[K@th]

He could easily be asking why America had to have a civil war when almost every other nation who had slavery ended it without having to fight a civil war to do so. Did you ever think of that? No you are too busy coming up with a negative reason why he said that, he can't possibly have been making the point I just made in a folksy way. Just assume Trump doesn't know anything about Civil War, that must be it, typical Kath.

So, when he says "people" he means "me, Donald Trump?" Spoiler alert, actual PEOPLE have pondered many, many things about the Civil War, including the reasons of. Rumor has it that two or three people wrote a book about the war, too. So, which people don't ask the question? Pfft.

"People don't realize, you know, the Civil War, if you think about it, why?" Trump asked. "People don't ask that question, but why was there the Civil War? Why could that one not have been worked out?"

[brewster]

How did I miss the resurrection of Ted Kaczynski as visionary?

He was pretty good at diagnosis. When it came to cure he wasn't as creative.

Sounds like many critics, including Dan.

[SuburbanFarmer]

@Kath
You look for any evidence that could indicate he's an imbecile and dismiss any evidence that could indicate that such statements could be interpreted any other way. There is no hope for you on Trump, you are so dug in against him, especially this view that he's an idiot who doesn't have the slightest idea what he's doing, that you are incapable of viewing hardly anything he does rationally. You always assume anything he does is simply yet another example of idiocy no matter how hard you have to stretch to do that.

A million dumb reasons to hate on Trump does not trump a single good reason to do so, trying to come up with a billion different reasons doesn't make your argument sound any more rational, you really should stop that strategy and focus and the best complaints you have.

No, I'm pretty convinced that he's just a fucking idiot. I also don't really believe that he's running the country anyway.
He said during the campaign that he'd try to delegate everything to his VP. I think he's settled on a mix of that, and Ivanka, because kids, amirite.

He's a figurehead, trolling and distracting, while the real government draws its plans. That's the best-case scenario, at this point.

[brewster]

When telling lies strategically is a big help in gaining and keeping your job, you're just going to do that, or you're going to lose an election to someone who does it better than you do.

Truth. Anyone remember Mondale's claim in 84 that the only difference between him and Reagan on taxes was that he was telling the truth about raising them? Of course he was right but it was too late then. The problem is we've elected one of the worlds biggest liars, a con man, rather than a politician, who are amateurs by comparison. They think their lies need to have some basis in fact, or simply not be verifiable, and that placed them at a disadvantage. Trump has plainly never cared to have any kind of relationship with the truth, and no one believed that it was that simple.

[StCapps]

No, I'm pretty convinced that he's just a fucking idiot. I also don't really believe that he's running the country anyway.
He said during the campaign that he'd try to delegate everything to his VP. I think he's settled on a mix of that, and Ivanka, because kids, amirite.

He's a figurehead, trolling and distracting, while the real government draws its plans. That's the best-case scenario, at this point.

Your reasons for thinking Trump is an idiot are as silly as Kath's reasons. No one on this forum who actually thinks that ever has any good arguments to back them up, they point to words that he said that they don't like and that simply isn't very convincing.

Stupid is as stupid does, and y'all focus on your interpretation of his words as the only real evidence you have that's he an idiot who doesn't know what he's doing. Don't attack him over his handling of Health Care or anything worth of criticism, nah, just attack this sentence he said that I though makes him sound dumb to you and/or the media.

[K@th]

OMG !!!! THE HORROR!!

Using the ACTUAL words a president says to make a case that the actual words he said were completely untrue.

That shit should be illegal.

[StCapps]

OMG !!!! THE HORROR!!

Using the ACTUAL words a president says to make a case that the actual words he said were completely untrue.

That shit should be illegal.

All politicians lie. Breaking News. How does this make Trump special? It doesn't. Fuck off.

A politician told a lie, big fucking deal, that shouldn't surprise you. If it does surprise you then that's your fault, it's not the fault of those calling you on getting extra upset about something that every politician under the sun does because this time you Trump rubs you the wrong way even more than they do.

Grow up and take off the anti-Trump blinders for a second, and then lay into Trump. A lot of the rest of us can manage that, why can't you?

[K@th]

OMG !!!! THE HORROR!!

Using the ACTUAL words a president says to make a case that the actual words he said were completely untrue.

That shit should be illegal.

All politicians lie. Breaking News. How does this make Trump special? It doesn't. Fuck off.

A politician told a lie, big fucking deal, that shouldn't surprise you. If it does that's your fault, not those calling you on getting upset about something that every politician under the sun does.

AAhhhh, but my case isn't that he's lying. My case is that he's an idiot who doesn't understand his country's history.

There's good reason to lie to citizens to tell them you aren't spying on them when you are. That shit should be considered treason.

This is different. I'm calling him an idiot, not a liar. What is the advantage of telling these sorts of stupid lies that only show his ignorance?

[StCapps]

AAhhhh, but my case isn't that he's lying. My case is that he's an idiot who doesn't understand his country's history.

There's good reason to lie to citizens to tell them you aren't spying on them when you are. That shit should be considered treason.

This is different. I'm calling him an idiot, not a liar. What is the advantage of telling these sorts of stupid lies that only show his ignorance?

You thinking Trump doesn't understand the Civil War is you reading into his comments with your confirmation bias. You only think he's an idiot from those comments because you already thought he was an idiot.

All he could be doing is drawing people's attention to the causes of the civil war in a folksy way that appeals to the common man, but no, you think it's a sure fire proof he's a complete idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about. The Civil War is so complicated, even the historians don't even agree on exactly why everything went the way that it did, that's all he was getting at in all likelihood, but to you it's obvious ignorance. Kath always looking for the worst in Trump, same old, same old.

America is one of the only nations that had to fight a civil war to put an end to slavery, so asking if the Civil War even had to happen at all, perfectly valid question considering you guys are a major outlier in the historical record. Merely asking the question is not a sign of ignorance of American history.