THE ERA OF TRUMP

[Speaker to Animals]

Brew's correct.

For comparison: the NHS is 60% of Britain's healthcare & private insurance is the other 40%. I'd expect those numbers to be about the same in the U.S. That would triple Medicare enrollment.

Medicare would definitely have to come out of the General Fund because the current First Dollar tax scheme would destroy low wage-earners.

I didn't say it was cheap. But right now, the costs for essentially the same effect are being taken out of the middle class via ridiculously high insurance premiums.

Americans have to pay one way the other. It's easier to spread the costs via payroll taxes..

Democrats will support it because it opens the door to full single-payer health care if the private markets fail to compete with Medicare. Doing this gives both strategies a fair shot. If you want private insurance like you used to have, and can get access to it through your employer, then you can do that. Otherwise.. Medicare.

[Speaker to Animals]

Call it whatever you want. I guarantee most Americans would support a free market-based health insurance system where Medicare could deal with people who can't get insurance.

Be honest. If Obama had proposed that, would a single Republican have supported it? How would your system deal with the incentive for businesses to not provide insurance and let the Feds pay? You'd have to force them to, right? That wouldn't go over with the GOP. The natural end would be a single payer system for the majority of American, and that's something the GOP has held up as an anathema for many decades.

Why should businesses have to pay for your health insurance?

It's somehow fucking horrific to just do this through payroll taxes (socialism!), but it's fucking a-okay to force employers to pay for it??

Do you have any idea what a drag employer-based health insurance is on our job market and economy?

How is the government controlling police and fire departments okay but the government providing an optional Medicare for all evil incarnate?

[Speaker to Animals]

I'll tell you who else would support it: the financial donors to the GOP, especially the various business lobbies.

[Okeefenokee]

[brewster]

Why should businesses have to pay for your health insurance?

It's somehow fucking horrific to just do this through payroll taxes (socialism!), but it's fucking a-okay to force employers to pay for it??

Do you have any idea what a drag employer-based health insurance is on our job market and economy?

How is the government controlling police and fire departments okay but the government providing an optional Medicare for all evil incarnate?

Dude! You're preaching to the choir! The "free market" health system is a disaster unless you're in the 1% or nearly so. I'm just pointing out how improbable your idea is given the GOP record on such things.

I'll tell you who else would support it: the financial donors to the GOP, especially the various business lobbies.

Can you explain why the would have more juice than the medical industrial state that accounts for 20% of GDP?

[Speaker to Animals]

Why should businesses have to pay for your health insurance?

It's somehow fucking horrific to just do this through payroll taxes (socialism!), but it's fucking a-okay to force employers to pay for it??

Do you have any idea what a drag employer-based health insurance is on our job market and economy?

How is the government controlling police and fire departments okay but the government providing an optional Medicare for all evil incarnate?

Dude! You're preaching to the choir! The "free market" health system is a disaster unless you're in the 1% or nearly so. I'm just pointing out how improbable your idea is given the GOP record on such things.

I don't think it is at all. See my comment regarding the primary donors to the GOP, including every business lobby in this country (except health insurance).

This is an issue where the libertard faction of the GOP painted the entire party into an untenable corner. Most Americans want this. Probably most businesses want to get rid of the obligation to pay 2/3 of their employees' health insurance premiums. What's left but the Freedom Caucus and Rand Paul?

[Martin Hash]

I'll talk Econ, taxes & accounting with Chowder, or ANY Republican for that matter but I've never met a Republican who comprehends it. My God, they keep going to Flat Taxes which I can debunk in under 1 minute, then they walk away mad.

[brewster]

I don't think it is at all. See my comment regarding the primary donors to the GOP, including every business lobby in this country (except health insurance).

This is an issue where the libertard faction of the GOP painted the entire party into an untenable corner. Most Americans want this. Probably most businesses want to get rid of the obligation to pay 2/3 of their employees' health insurance premiums. What's left but the Freedom Caucus and Rand Paul?

It seems like you have amnesia about everything said during 7 years of demonizing Obama and Obamacare.

[Speaker to Animals]

I'll talk Econ, taxes & accounting with Chowder, or ANY Republican for that matter but I've never met a Republican who comprehends it. My God, they keep going to Flat Taxes which I can debunk in under 1 minute, then they walk away mad.

I think you need to refine your opinion a bit. There broadly are two "rights" now. The new right doesn't really care so much about these kinds of ideological games. They are worried about important matters like immigration, economic nationalism, etc.

[brewster]

I'll talk Econ, taxes & accounting with Chowder, or ANY Republican for that matter but I've never met a Republican who comprehends it. My God, they keep going to Flat Taxes which I can debunk in under 1 minute, then they walk away mad.

I loved the Econtalk where his fellow Hooverite told him he was full of shit saying Keynes is wrong.