2020 election

[heydaralon]

2075?

That sounds about right.

By 2075 China will probably be the last holdout against Manifest Destiny.

Big as they are, they will be the ones who are surrounded by then.

I think Russia will have long since fully integrated with Europe by 2075.

Why do you think Russia will be fully integrated? Russia likes to do their own thing. They don't like foreigners telling them what to do. They are very proud of their culture and way of life based on what I have read.

[Smitty-48]

2075?

That sounds about right.

By 2075 China will probably be the last holdout against Manifest Destiny.

Big as they are, they will be the ones who are surrounded by then.

I think Russia will have long since fully integrated with Europe by 2075.

Why do you think Russia will be fully integrated? Russia likes to do their own thing. They don't like foreigners telling them what to do. They are very proud of their culture and way of life based on what I have read.

They only have an economy the size of Italy's.

They are dining out on the Soviet arsenal from the 1980's

They wont be able to sustain that.

They will collapse down to become like an Italy with a lot of land and nuclear weapons.

At that point it will no longer make any sense to try to resist Europe.

[Smitty-48]

They also fear the Chinese, the Chinese are Russia's mortal peril, not America.

The Russians will join Europe to keep the Chinese at a bay.

Europe will welcome Russia, as a bulwark against the Chinese.

[Speaker to Animals]

FFS

[Speaker to Animals]

Here's the biggie quote from JFK's inauguration speech on January 20, 1961 that has gotten lost somehow in American education:

"We shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty."

Either of those brothers would completely dominate the political scene right now. Look at what Trump did with the rust belt with what little he offered and imagine either of the Kennedy boys capitalizing on that.

[Smitty-48]

JFK couldn't win the Democratic nomination now, he was too right wing.

JFK would be a Republican now, he was by far and away the most chauvinistic Kennedy.

He could not abide America surrendering anything to the Communists.

He knew Vietnam would be a quagmire.

Didn't matter, had to be done, long view, Manifest Destiny will prevail.

And he was right, the Vietnamese have come around.

They are onside with JFK now, more than even Americans are.

The Green Berets won, they just waited Le Duan out.

Took another twenty years, but that is a blink of an eye.

[heydaralon]

2075?

That sounds about right.

By 2075 China will probably be the last holdout against Manifest Destiny.

Big as they are, they will be the ones who are surrounded by then.

I think Russia will have long since fully integrated with Europe by 2075.

Why do you think Russia will be fully integrated? Russia likes to do their own thing. They don't like foreigners telling them what to do. They are very proud of their culture and way of life based on what I have read.

They only have an economy the size of Italy's.

They are dining out on the Soviet arsenal from the 1980's

They wont be able to sustain that.

They will collapse down to become like an Italy with a lot of land and nuclear weapons.

At that point it will no longer make any sense to try to resist Europe.

Well, do you think when the day comes that they are starving and on the brink, they will just straight up blackmail Europe into giving them aid with their nuclear weapons? Kind of what North Korea does? Would Europe call their bluff?

[Smitty-48]

Why do you think Russia will be fully integrated? Russia likes to do their own thing. They don't like foreigners telling them what to do. They are very proud of their culture and way of life based on what I have read.

They only have an economy the size of Italy's.

They are dining out on the Soviet arsenal from the 1980's

They wont be able to sustain that.

They will collapse down to become like an Italy with a lot of land and nuclear weapons.

At that point it will no longer make any sense to try to resist Europe.

Well, do you think when the day comes that they are starving and on the brink, they will just straight up blackmail Europe into giving them aid with their nuclear weapons? Kind of what North Korea does? Would Europe call their bluff?

They won't come close to starving, they will cave way before it comes to that.

The Russians are Europeans, they won't tolerate bread lines never mind starvation.

[heydaralon]

They only have an economy the size of Italy's.

They are dining out on the Soviet arsenal from the 1980's

They wont be able to sustain that.

They will collapse down to become like an Italy with a lot of land and nuclear weapons.

At that point it will no longer make any sense to try to resist Europe.

Well, do you think when the day comes that they are starving and on the brink, they will just straight up blackmail Europe into giving them aid with their nuclear weapons? Kind of what North Korea does? Would Europe call their bluff?

They won't come close to starving, they will cave way before it comes to that.

The Russians are Europeans, they won't tolerate bread lines never mind starvation.

Surely Putin anticipates this right? He knows that the defense costs will break his economy in the end? What is his longterm strategy for this? Was Ukraine a move of desperation?

[Smitty-48]

Only the North Vietnamese were the North Vietnamese.

The Russians are not the North Vietnamese.

The North Vietnamese are not the North Vietnamese anymore.

North Vietnam was a like a cult, most opponents America would have crushed with 500,000 troops.

The North Vietnamese were a accident of history.

Russia will cave. It's just a matter of time. Hanoi caved. Moscow will cave, no doubt.