Europe, Boring Until it's Not

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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by C-Mag » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:59 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:26 am
Are we still saying "only the left support political violence''?
The correct question is, did Leftisr policies cause people to protest oppressive taxes ?

The answer is yes.

There are no diversions, or misdirections that get away from this being caused by leftist globohomo policies
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Montegriffo » Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:36 am

C-Mag wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:59 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:26 am
Are we still saying "only the left support political violence''?
The correct question is, did Leftisr policies cause people to protest oppressive taxes ?

The answer is yes.

There are no diversions, or misdirections that get away from this being caused by leftist globohomo policies
Tax cuts for the rich and flat rates of tax on businesses. Macron has given billions to the top ten percent and has slashed spending on welfare.
Some fucking lefty...
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Zlaxer » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:24 am

Leftist poke bear - bear snarls and starts clawIng leftists - leftist shit themselves.

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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Speaker to Animals » Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:14 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:36 am
C-Mag wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:59 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:26 am
Are we still saying "only the left support political violence''?
The correct question is, did Leftisr policies cause people to protest oppressive taxes ?

The answer is yes.

There are no diversions, or misdirections that get away from this being caused by leftist globohomo policies
Tax cuts for the rich and flat rates of tax on businesses. Macron has given billions to the top ten percent and has slashed spending on welfare.
Some fucking lefty...
That is pretty much what the left has done here too.

Which is why the working class went right.

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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Montegriffo » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:12 am

Why bother learning what is going on when you can just make up your own narrative...
On Tuesday, President Donald Trump evidently decided it was time for him to weigh in on the protests — by sharing a tweet from Charlie Kirk, a 25-year-old conservative political activist and ardent Trump supporter, with his millions of followers.

There’s one problem, though: Nothing in the tweet is even remotely accurate. The only facts in it are that there are protests in France over fuel taxes and that there are, indeed, streets in the city of Paris.
There are riots in socialist France because of radical leftist fuel taxes Media barely mentioning this America is booming, Europe is burning They want to cover up the middle class rebellion against cultural Marxism “We want Trump” being chanted through the streets of Paris
Kirk — who is not shy about his deep contempt for socialism — writes, “There are riots in socialist France because of radical leftist fuel taxes.” Now, the protests are partly about fuel taxes — just not “radical leftist” ones.

French President Emmanuel Macron announced a new gas tax earlier this year that will increase the price of fuel by about 30 cents per gallon and will continue to rise over the next few years. (Gas already costs about $7.06 per gallon in France.)

But Macron, a former investment banker, isn’t using the tax to support or expand social welfare benefits — quite the opposite, in fact. It’s part of his broader plan to reform the French economy to make it more pro-business.

He’s been cutting spending to popular, longstanding social welfare programs and has been scaling back labor protections. For instance, he’s made it easier for companies to hire and fire employees and fought unions to end subsidies for certain sectors.

As New York magazine reports:

In May, thousands of high-school students joined unionists and civil servants to protest Macron’s plan to cut 120,000 civil service jobs in addition to a reduction in benefits for France’s railway workers, who are unionized, public-sector employees. Macron’s 2019 budget “includes an €18.8 billion reduction in payroll and other business taxes to encourage hiring and investment,” the Times reported in October. That’s a continuation of tax policies he premiered not long after taking office in 2017; a newly empowered Macron moved swiftly to cut taxes for corporations and for the wealthiest 10 percent of French households.

Last time I checked, ending labor protections, cutting taxes for wealthy corporations, and scaling back social welfare programs are not the policies typically associated with a “radical leftist” agenda, as Kirk phrased it.
That’s why some see Macron as a president of the rich. Jeff Lightfoot, a France expert at the Atlantic Council think tank in Washington, DC, told Vox last week that Macron is initiating changes that many of the country’s wealthy can muddle through, but that the nation’s poorer citizens might not be able to overcome.

So, to recap, the protesters are mostly working-class folks who are angry at what they see as an out-of-touch elitist president whose policies favor the wealthy and corporations at the expense of working-class French people.

That is quite literally the opposite of a “middle class rebellion against cultural Marxism,” as Kirk characterized the protests.

(“Cultural Marxism” is a favorite phrase of many on the far right and alt-right, “where it serves as an umbrella term variously responsible for such un-American and anti-Western ills as atheism, secularism, political correctness, gay rights, sexual liberation, feminism, affirmative action, liberalism, socialism, anarchism, and, above all, multiculturalism,” as Vice explains.)

To be sure, people in the middle class who are also affected by the high cost of living are part of the protest movement as well — but it’s doubtful many of them would characterize their grievances against Macron as a “rebellion against cultural Marxism.”
https://www.vox.com/world/2018/12/4/181 ... e-protests

some great comments
https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/statu ... 9010089984
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by TheReal_ND » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:16 am

But Macron, a former investment banker, isn’t using the tax to support or expand social welfare benefits — quite the opposite, in fact. It’s part of his broader plan to reform the French economy to make it more pro-business.
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Montegriffo » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:19 am

You can lead a horse to water...
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by TheReal_ND » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:22 am

you know what would really make us competitive?
what's that?
A GIANT FUCKING FUEL TAX

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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Montegriffo » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:30 am

The protests are, in some ways, surprising. The French, in overwhelming numbers, believe in man-made climate change.

According to a study released earlier this year by the European Social Survey, almost 94% of French citizens believe climate change is at least partly caused by human activity, with 73.7% believing the impacts will be bad.

In comparison, 91% of British people believe climate change is partially caused by human activity, and just 66% believe the impact will be negative. Meanwhile, a report by the University of Michigan's Center for Local, State, and Urban Policy notes only 60% of Americans believe climate change is happening and humans are playing a part.

France's fuel tax aims to encourage motorists to use their cars less or switch to electric versions.

The tax would also raise €34bn ($39bn; £30bn), although according to news agency Reuters, just €7.2bn will go towards the environment.

So why fight against a policy designed to combat carbon emissions?

Many argue the people out on the streets are not protesting against the ecological aim of the tax. It has become much more than that in the weeks since it began.
"Clearly the reason the yellow vests began to demonstrate was the so-called carbon or fuel tax," François Gemenne, a lecturer in environmental geopolitics at Paris's SciencesPo university, explained.

"But I'm not sure this [postponing the tax] will calm them down - most of them are just against tax."

Indeed, one of the leading members of the yellow vests - or "gilet jaunes" - appeared to almost echo these words.

"The measures announced today do not satisfy us at all - for the simple reason they don't go far enough," Benjamin Cauchy told the BBC's Chris Bockman in Toulouse.

"The French people want a complete political transformation. They want to change the way things have been for the last 30 years. We're sick and tired of taxes being raised and the quality of public services going down."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46439469
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by DBTrek » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:38 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:30 am

France's fuel tax aims to encourage motorists to use their cars less or switch to electric versions.

The tax would also raise €34bn ($39bn; £30bn), although according to news agency Reuters, just €7.2bn will go towards the environment.

So why fight against a policy designed to combat carbon emissions?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46439469
Trying to tax people out of using personal transportation (anti-Liberty social engineering aimed at increasing dependence on government transportation) and defrauding the public in the name of global warming get-rich-quick schemes, according to Monte’s own cited sources.

Or as he would tell you “NOT SOCIALIST AT ALL”.
Lulz.
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