Get Rid of Capitalism?

[nmoore63]

...We've already seen a car engine that can run on water...

Wait, what?


The first law has been overcome?

Why you gotta hold out like that?

I have a kit for a little plastic matchbox car that does indeed move on salt water.

[StCapps]

I think the church gets the bad rep on science by the way they take their time on things (that they really don't need to have an opinion on, anyway.)

It was the 90's when the Church started recognizing evolution. They also "apologized" to Galileo around that same time.

This kind of stuff makes them appear late to the table.

Yeah but compared to other major religions in the world, they aren't that late to the table, especially when talking about the time period that Grumps refers to, they were actually the first to the table.

It's a faulty perception, they do get a bad rep, but it's undeserved, especially comparatively speaking. The Catholics should not be singled out for being anti-science, especially when they were more pro-science than any other major religion for a very long stretch of time. Galileo would have been worse off in a non-Christian nation, when it comes to his work being suppressed, bet that. Just because the Protestants occasionally beat the Catholics to the science table, post-reformation, that doesn't mean the Catholics weren't way faster than everyone else.
/shrugs

[Speaker to Animals]

God damn it. Can we have a discussion about future economics without Jacobins bitching about Christianity?

[SuburbanFarmer]

I concede that they forged new boundaries in medical science, such as the boiling temp of human organs, elasticity of various orifices, and all sorts of creative Mengele-type experiments in pain. Truly, leaders in the field.

If you can only think of the negatives, it's because you are knee-jerk anti-catholic. Comparatively speaking the Catholic Church suppressed science the least of the all major world religions during the timeframe you are talking about, you just want to paint them as the bad guys because they weren't perfect, but everyone else was worse, the Catholics were the best of the bunch.
/shrugs

Quit holding people of the past to today's standards, and evaluate them based on the standards of their time, the Catholics should not be singled out for holding back science, just the opposite, they were the best at promoting science among the major religions of the world, at that time.

Compared to the Muslims? You must be joking. Those guys were inventing algebra, and measuring the earth, while Catholics were burning people alive for 'wrongthink'.

Here's one of their own monks, burned to death a few decades before Galileo figured out his eyepiece, for realizing that the earth wasn't the center of the universe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno

He was turned over to the secular authorities. On Ash Wednesday, 17 February 1600, in the Campo de' Fiori (a central Roman market square), with his "tongue imprisoned because of his wicked words". He was hung upside down naked before he was finally burned at the stake.[33][34] His ashes were thrown into the Tiber river. All of Bruno's works were placed on the Index Librorum Prohibitorum in 1603.

[StCapps]

Compared to the Muslims? You must be joking. Those guys were inventing algebra, and measuring the earth, while Catholics were burning people alive for 'wrongthink'.

Islam being open to science was very short lived. Shows what you know. You are deliberately cherry picking Islam's golden age and comparing it to low points of the Catholic Church, as if that is a fair comparison over a 1000 year period. Sure if you only look at the pro's of Islam and the con's of Catholicism, during that time period, it looks pretty one sided, but that is highly disingenuous.

Read some more history if you can't think of any pro's of Catholicism or any con's of Islam, during that 1000 year period, because there are plenty of both, and your viewpoint is very anti-Western based on your analysis ignoring the best of Catholicism and the worst of Islam, to highlight the best of Islam and the worst of Catholicism.

[SuburbanFarmer]

...We've already seen a car engine that can run on water...

Wait, what?


The first law has been overcome?

Why you gotta hold out like that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-fuelled_car

[Fife]

The illiteracy -- the WILLFUL illiteracy -- of history around the water cooler nowadays is pretty depressing, I have to admit.

[Speaker to Animals]

The illiteracy -- the WILLFUL illiteracy -- of history around the water cooler nowadays is pretty depressing, I have to admit.

But at least the water cooler can power some car, somewhere.

[Heraclius]

I concede that they forged new boundaries in medical science, such as the boiling temp of human organs, elasticity of various orifices, and all sorts of creative Mengele-type experiments in pain. Truly, leaders in the field.

If you can only think of the negatives, it's because you are knee-jerk anti-catholic. Comparatively speaking the Catholic Church suppressed science the least of the all major world religions during the timeframe you are talking about, you just want to paint them as the bad guys because they weren't perfect, but everyone else was worse, the Catholics were the best of the bunch.
/shrugs

Quit holding people of the past to today's standards, and evaluate them based on the standards of their time, the Catholics should not be singled out for holding back science, just the opposite, they were the best at promoting science among the major religions of the world, at that time.

Compared to the Muslims? You must be joking. Those guys were inventing algebra, and measuring the earth, while Catholics were burning people alive for 'wrongthink'.

Here's one of their own monks, burned to death a few decades before Galileo figured out his eyepiece, for realizing that the earth wasn't the center of the universe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno

He was turned over to the secular authorities. On Ash Wednesday, 17 February 1600, in the Campo de' Fiori (a central Roman market square), with his "tongue imprisoned because of his wicked words". He was hung upside down naked before he was finally burned at the stake.[33][34] His ashes were thrown into the Tiber river. All of Bruno's works were placed on the Index Librorum Prohibitorum in 1603.

People have been killed for wrongthink since before the establishment of the concept of the free expression of ideas. Romans extra-judicially killed plenty of individuals they felt were committing "wrongthink" against Res Publica. Jews failing to submit to the concept of an Emperor's divinity were killed as well. Muslims weren't so kind to the "wrongthink" of Shias if they were Sunnis or Sunnis if they were Shias either.

Your article states this as well:

historians have debated the extent to which his heresy trial was a response to his astronomical views or to other aspects of his philosophy and theology

It's not as simple as scientific tension with theology = death in the Catholic Church. They didn't kill the missionary that created the foundations for the Big Bang Theory either.

The greatest way to see a contradiction with the narrative that the Church had a problem with astronomic observation during the Scientific Revolution is to look at Galileo and Kepler. Both were contemporary mathematicians/astronomers and both made significant discoveries about the solar system. They both believed in a heliocentric model. However, Kepler faced little to no issues from the Church while Galileo did. A lot of it comes down to Galileo attempting to interpret Scripture contrary to what Catholic dogma stated, not the research he did.

[Martin Hash]

The illiteracy -- the WILLFUL illiteracy -- of history around the water cooler nowadays is pretty depressing, I have to admit.

History?! What about the "water" cooler scientists? And why is it the same people?