Age restrictions for Congress?

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Re: Age restrictions for Congress?

Post by StCapps » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:00 am

California wrote:Have you been paying attention to what's going on down here in the last couple decades?
Of course, and I don't see how kicking the Ron Paul's of the world out after two terms will make Congress work any better. It's not exactly hard to find a younger version of John McCain to replace him, the people will still vote for chumps most of the time, they just won't be able to keep anyone who isn't a chump around very long, and then he'll be replaced by a chump. Your suggestion won't fix the problems you think it will.

The problem is not that your politicians are too experienced, term limits just leads to a revolving door of chumps, the problem is the electorate, not the politicians pandering to the electorate.
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Politicians will always pander to the electorate, you can't fix that with term limits, and implementing term limits will not result in a higher percentage of good choices for the electorate to make, and thus them making better choices is highly unlikely. The politicians have to tell the people what they want to hear, or they will lose their jobs to someone who does a better job of it, that's the way politics works. So quit blaming leviathan, "if we just got a completely new set of politicians more often then everything would be much better", not really bro, not much would really change because the electorate voting for the politicians didn't magically change just because there are term limits naow.
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Re: Age restrictions for Congress?

Post by clubgop » Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:20 pm

StCapps wrote:
California wrote:Have you been paying attention to what's going on down here in the last couple decades?
Of course, and I don't see how kicking the Ron Paul's of the world out after two terms will make Congress work any better. It's not exactly hard to find a younger version of John McCain to replace him, the people will still vote for chumps most of the time, they just won't be able to keep anyone who isn't a chump around very long, and then he'll be replaced by a chump. Your suggestion won't fix the problems you think it will.

The problem is not that your politicians are too experienced, term limits just leads to a revolving door of chumps, the problem is the electorate, not the politicians pandering to the electorate.
/shrugs

Politicians will always pander to the electorate, you can't fix that with term limits, and implementing term limits will not result in a higher percentage of good choices for the electorate to make, and thus them making better choices is highly unlikely. The politicians have to tell the people what they want to hear, or they will lose their jobs to someone who does a better job of it, that's the way politics works. So quit blaming leviathan, "if we just got a completely new set of politicians more often then everything would be much better", not really bro, not much would really change because the electorate voting for the politicians didn't magically change just because there are term limits naow.
Pandering is not a bad thing we want more pandering.

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Re: Age restrictions for Congress?

Post by StCapps » Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:31 pm

clubgop wrote:Pandering is not a bad thing we want more pandering.
That would depend on what electorate wants, it could be a bad thing, it could be a good thing, but whatever you do, don't expect them not to pander, because that is what they do.
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Re: Age restrictions for Congress?

Post by clubgop » Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:36 pm

And you just proved our case for term limits mentioning John McCain he was and is a war hero so yeah he gonna get his shot and for the first 15-20 years he wasn't that bad and even if he was we wouldn't be discussing it becuase he would have fucked off the war hero not stayed too long to become your villain.

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Re: Age restrictions for Congress?

Post by StCapps » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:49 am

clubgop wrote:And you just proved our case for term limits mentioning John McCain he was and is a war hero so yeah he gonna get his shot and for the first 15-20 years he wasn't that bad and even if he was we wouldn't be discussing it becuase he would have fucked off the war hero not stayed too long to become your villain.
John McCain is not an argument for term limits, you act like his replacement won't be just as bad if not worse, but they would be. Replacing John McCain with a younger John McCain is not a big enough win considering the downsides. Term limits will not prevent people from voting for folks like John McCain, so you have not solved anything, next man up will fill his spot, like he never left.
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Re: Age restrictions for Congress?

Post by The Conservative » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:28 am

StCapps wrote:
clubgop wrote:And you just proved our case for term limits mentioning John McCain he was and is a war hero so yeah he gonna get his shot and for the first 15-20 years he wasn't that bad and even if he was we wouldn't be discussing it becuase he would have fucked off the war hero not stayed too long to become your villain.
John McCain is not an argument for term limits, you act like his replacement won't be just as bad if not worse, but they would be. Replacing John McCain with a younger John McCain is not a big enough win considering the downsides. Term limits will not prevent people from voting for folks like John McCain, so you have not solved anything, next man up will fill his spot, like he never left.
Actually, I think the group that keeps on putting him in office no longer has his back. These last two years have been a beating on the SJW, the Democrats, and the RINOs such as McCain...people are getting wise to the tricks of the media and the life-long politicians. People are no longer taking the word of the media as truth, and because of that those they back are treated with a heavy grain of salt.

The fact that McCain switched parties to stay elected should tell you all you need to know about him...he's addicted to power and will refuse to give it up easily...
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Re: Age restrictions for Congress?

Post by StCapps » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:39 am

The Conservative wrote:Actually, I think the group that keeps on putting him in office no longer has his back. These last two years have been a beating on the SJW, the Democrats, and the RINOs such as McCain...people are getting wise to the tricks of the media and the life-long politicians. People are no longer taking the word of the media as truth, and because of that those they back are treated with a heavy grain of salt.

The fact that McCain switched parties to stay elected should tell you all you need to know about him...he's addicted to power and will refuse to give it up easily...
Nah that's wishful thinking, there will be lots more John McCain type politicians in America's future, term limits or not term limits, bet that. Americans are going to keep voting for these people, don't project your own dislike of John McCain on the electorate, most Americans do not view John McCain the way that you do, especially if they are from Arizona.
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Re: Age restrictions for Congress?

Post by clubgop » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:37 pm

The fact that McCain switched parties to stay elected should tell you all you need to know about him...he's addicted to power and will refuse to give it up easily...
Wha?? Dude he never switched parties, he still is a Republican.

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Re: Age restrictions for Congress?

Post by StCapps » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:26 pm

Americans are not going to stop electing the John McCain's of the world, term limits will make no difference in that regard.
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Re: Age restrictions for Congress?

Post by clubgop » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:51 pm

StCapps wrote:Americans are not going to stop electing the John McCain's of the world, term limits will make no difference in that regard.
As I said before the first decade of John McCain wouldn't be so bad.