War With Communists

[TheReal_ND]

Just wondering about some of the intricacies of how the NDSAP would have operated under best circumstances. We have the autobahn, near 0% unemployment, interest free house loans where having children would knock large portions off until payed for by having kids. See, I think NatSoc gets a bad rap because I look at Weimar Germany and some of the things accomplished by the NDSAP and I can't help but feel a little point of pride that a movement dedicated to its people was able to accomplish so much.

Google "nazi germany pre war economy". Some interesting reads.

Some believe that the economy was destined for collapse, including Hjalmar Schact.

Too much nuance to really address in a post here, but it's an interesting read (I suggest you read both sides of the argument).

I wondered myself if their economic policies worked. I don't believe they did after what I've read. But arguments can be made both ways.

The Bernanke is on record being a fan of them. I did post that article on the old forum. That was interesting. Should be from ZH maybe I dig it out

[Smitty-48]

Incorrect.

Wasn't a damned thing left about it.

Left is towards the masses, right is towards the crown, at the time of the American Revolution, the United States of America was as far left as it got, that was the leftward edge of the spectrum at that time.

Upon the French Revolution and the Commune, the spectrum was pushed further to the left.

[Speaker to Animals]

Incorrect.

Wasn't a damned thing left about it.

I heard Thomas Jefferson was a hard core conservative. Lol

The American Patriots revolted because they felt the Parliament, and by extension the King, have violated their fundamental rights as English citizens. They were fighting against an illegitimate power-play by the Crown and by Parliament, which historically, wasn't even all that novel in England by that point.

[Speaker to Animals]

Incorrect.

Wasn't a damned thing left about it.

Left is towards the masses, right is towards the crown, at the time of the American Revolution, the United States of America was as far left as it got, that was the leftward edge of the spectrum at that time.

Upon the French Revolution and the Commune, the spectrum was pushed further to the left.

That's just nonsense. Anybody can appeal to the masses. Hitler appealed to the masses. Mao appealed to the masses. So did Mitt Romney and Ronald Reagan.

You are trying to jam the division between republicanism and monarchism into this, and it doesn't fit.

Like I said before, insomuch as the left-right paradigm is a thing, the left can only be understood as an illegitimate societal cancer. Everything on the right can then be viewed by some other paradigms. So if you want to look at the split between republicanism and monarchism, that's fine, but as long as you are using the left-right paradigm, both of those things fall on the right, since neither of them are a social cancer that tends towards the collapse of a civilization.

We never really saw the left manage to do it. They have managed to overthrow governments, but eventually after some reign of terror, a strongman government takes over and starts trying to put it all back together again, usually starting by killing off the craziest of the leftist radicals. It really is just a societal cancer. That's all it ever was.

[Viktorthepirate]

Incorrect.

Wasn't a damned thing left about it.

I heard Thomas Jefferson was a hard core conservative. Lol

The American Patriots revolted because they felt the Parliament, and by extension the King, have violated their fundamental rights as English citizens. They were fighting against an illegitimate power-play by the Crown and by Parliament, which historically, wasn't even all that novel in England by that point.

Jefferson was pretty radical for his day.

Like all large groups, opinions differ within. But what they were selling to average Joe was a left position for the time. Of course they also had many cynical leaders who saw their own benefit upon the usurpation of the status quo, but they said what they had to to get the masses up in arms.

Not that it really matters though, if the American Revolution being a rightist revolution helps fit your narrative that lefties are the antichrist and need to be all gassed, go on ahead.

[TheReal_ND]

So did Mitt Romney

Lol *puff* yeah dude

[Smitty-48]

Incorrect.

Wasn't a damned thing left about it.

Left is towards the masses, right is towards the crown, at the time of the American Revolution, the United States of America was as far left as it got, that was the leftward edge of the spectrum at that time.

Upon the French Revolution and the Commune, the spectrum was pushed further to the left.

That's just nonsense. Anybody can appeal to the masses. Hitler appealed to the masses. Mao appealed to the masses. So did Mitt Romney and Ronald Reagan.

It has nothing to do with appealing to the masses, it's about representation, the United States is a fundamentally liberal state, constitutional representative democratic republic, broadly on the left, to claim otherwise is patent nonsense, dictionary definition of.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Like I said before, insomuch as the left-right paradigm is a thing, the left can only be understood as an illegitimate societal cancer. Everything on the right can then be viewed by some other paradigms.

You do recognize the thundering tautology of this statement, yes?

[Smitty-48]

To assert the American Revolution to be a Rightist revolution, would mean that the British Crown was to the left of the American Republic, which, obvious nonsense is obvious.

[Martin Hash]

Old designations are in flux. Logically, if The Left is Collectivist, "the needs of the group supersede the wants of an individual," then The Right would be the opposite, which is liberty. So, by this definition, I'm The Right, but then the range of liberty becomes its own Left-Right Spectrum: most-liberty-to-the-most-people on The Left, as opposed to most-liberty-to-whoever-gets-there-first on the Right. I'm on the extreme Left in this scenario, with Libertarians being extreme Right. Think about the math for a minute and you'll notice that I would be the exact center.

ps. Conservativism is simply status quo, the same everywhere along the Left-Right spectrum.