DACA

[DBTrek]

Can we not agree that children are the responsibility of their parents?
Ergo if your parents illegally dragged you into a foreign nation, the plight of the child is the responsibility of the parents and not the foreign government?

It seems like there are a lot of rhetorical pretzels being twisted around here with the aim of making a pretty simple situation look difficult and daunting.

[Speaker to Animals]

If parents sneak into Walt Disney World and get caught, it's Disney's fault when the kids get kicked out of the park..

[Zlaxer]

Can we not agree that children are the responsibility of their parents?
Ergo if your parents illegally dragged you into a foreign nation, the plight of the child is the responsibility of the parents and not the foreign government?

It seems like there are a lot of rhetorical pretzels being twisted around here with the aim of making a pretty simple situation look difficult and daunting.

It is a complicated situation - but it's not the problem of the US tax payer - the foreign nationals did this to their own families....the US tax payer should not have to foot the bill - it's straight up not fair to the tax payer, nor is it sustainable....You want the US tax payer to pay for everyone's kids? You don't think more will come?

As I said before, show me some hard proof that dreamers produce more than they consume in terms of US tax dollars...

[DBTrek]

It is a complicated situation - but it's not the problem of the US tax payer - the foreign nationals did this to their own families....the US tax payer should not have to foot the bill - it's straight up not fair to the tax payer, nor is it sustainable....You want the US tax payer to pay for everyone's kids? You don't think more will come?

As I said before, show me some hard proof that dreamers produce more than they consume in terms of US tax dollars...

For a complicated situation you seemed to have summed it up and reached the obvious solution in three sentences.

[Zlaxer]

It is a complicated situation - but it's not the problem of the US tax payer - the foreign nationals did this to their own families....the US tax payer should not have to foot the bill - it's straight up not fair to the tax payer, nor is it sustainable....You want the US tax payer to pay for everyone's kids? You don't think more will come?

As I said before, show me some hard proof that dreamers produce more than they consume in terms of US tax dollars...

For a complicated situation you seemed to have summed it up and reached the obvious solution in three sentences.

Complicated for the foreign governments - for the US government - the solution is pretty simple - follow the dam law.

[Zlaxer]

I really wouldn't care so much about immigration if it wasn't for the fact that we're about dam broke, and the politicians are hell bent on buying the votes of immigrants by selling out the interests of actual citizens.

[Zlaxer]

Still waiting for someone to change my mind by posting concrete evidence that the Dreamers are a net benefit to US citizens.

[DBTrek]

For me it's just trying to hold the line for "Common Sense". It seems every other nation on earth understands national borders. Yet, for whatever reason, in America, it seems the majority of citizens (and court judges) don't believe we have a right to enforce our border. They don't even try to reconcile the glaring hypocrisy or contradictory nature of their views, which is confounding.

"You do realize every other nation on Earth has borders and immigration policy, right?
"Yeah"
"So . . . we're allowed to have and enforce that too"
"OH I SEE, SO YOU'RE LIKE FUCK THE BROWNS, I GOT MINE, YOU FUCKING RACIST!!!"



Seriously, it's like they're all under some sort of mass hypnosis - able to breathe and function, but completely unable to rationalize. So . . . I care about immigration issues not only because of the ramifications of unchecked immigration, but because it's also clear dividing line between rational actors and tools.

[Hastur]

It's like the late Roman Republic. Foreign slaves do the work and the US plebs are left stewing in the city slums.

Of course the people employing illegals want to keep it as it is. All the cost of keeping the illegals in the country are externalized and expected to be picked up by the tax payers.

Or by more debt.

Other peoples money never run out if you have the reserve currency, right?

[The Conservative]

For me it's just trying to hold the line for "Common Sense". It seems every other nation on earth understands national borders. Yet, for whatever reason, in America, it seems the majority of citizens (and court judges) don't believe we have a right to enforce our border. They don't even try to reconcile the glaring hypocrisy or contradictory nature of their views, which is confounding.

"You do realize every other nation on Earth has borders and immigration policy, right?
"Yeah"
"So . . . we're allowed to have and enforce that too"
"OH I SEE, SO YOU'RE LIKE FUCK THE BROWNS, I GOT MINE, YOU FUCKING RACIST!!!"



Seriously, it's like they're all under some sort of mass hypnosis - able to breathe and function, but completely unable to rationalize. So . . . I care about immigration issues not only because of the ramifications of unchecked immigration, but because it's also clear dividing line between rational actors and tools.

Seriously? Have you not realized that the majority of politicians don't recognize people as such, but as tools to the end result of their causes? Democrats especially, they don't care how much blood is shed in their ideas as long as it's not their's being spilled.