Fire McMaster !

[ssu]

He's just telling it like it is; is the United States going to use force now to prevent North Korea from reaching the threshold of a launch on warning scenario against the CONUS, or is America confortable living under a Kim Dynasty Sword of Damocles forevermore? What's the big whoop? That's the reality of the situation at hand stated in no uncertain terms.

Isn't a BIG whoop, and of course you already have lived under a sword of damocles. What's so different about this time?

This is only dangerous if all the below would happen at the same time:

- somebody comes up in Washington with a brilliant plan that they can wipe out Korea's arsenal with limited own losses, or that the idea that a "surgical strike" could be "contained" and that North Korea wouldn't start a wider war (for some reason).
- Trump would have people like Bolton that know how DC works, that can influence the decision making and fire the nay-sayers.
- Mueller's team goes on a predawn raid on Kushner residence and Trump panics.

Alarm bells going off would be some key generals resigning, or being fired. Because the a "pre-emptive" strike against North Korea wouldn't be something that the military establishment would take lightly.

[Smitty-48]

He's just telling it like it is; is the United States going to use force now to prevent North Korea from reaching the threshold of a launch on warning scenario against the CONUS, or is America confortable living under a Kim Dynasty Sword of Damocles forevermore? What's the big whoop? That's the reality of the situation at hand stated in no uncertain terms.

Isn't a BIG whoop, and of course you already have lived under a sword of damocles. What's so different about this time?

Well, the Americans didn't actually allow that Sword of Damocles to come to pass willingly, that was never the plan, the Soviets were never supposed to get a Sword of Damocles over the United States forevermore, hence why Curtis LeMay wanted to bomb them into the stone age in 1962, while the US could still strike with impunity.

By the time the Soviets had survivable second strike Delta's up under the polar ice with MIRV'd SLBM's; too late to do anything about it then, window of opportunity closed. There wasn't actually a Soviet Sword of Damocles in place, until about the mid 70's, prior to that, the Americans were large and in charge with practical impunity.

[Fife]

Seoul is much too pedestrian for the Kims. Ivan isn't crazy. These Korean fuckers are truly crazy.

Have any of our members been stationed in Korea? My old man tells me that these fuckers from the peninsula are all CAF.

[ssu]

I don't think the NK's ICBM's are targeted at Seoul, if Seoul was the target, why would they need ICBM's? Curtis LeMay wouldn't be putting up with this shit, the bombers would already be buzzing Pyongyang by now, facta non verba, no "fire and fury" blah, blah, blah required, I doubt he'd even ask for authorization, he just do it, "if the President don't like it, he can fire my ass anytime, but the bombers are already there, so too late now..."

Well, the Americans didn't actually allow that Sword of Damocles to come to pass willingly, that was never the plan, the Soviets were never supposed to get a Sword of Damocles over the United States forevermore, hence why Curtis LeMay wanted to bomb them into the stone age in 1962, while the US could still strike with impunity.

By the time the Soviets had survivable second strike Delta's up under the polar ice with MIRV'd SLBM's; too late to do anything about it then, window of opportunity closed. There wasn't actually a Soviet Sword of Damocles in place, until about the mid 70's, prior to that, the Americans were large and in charge with practical impunity.

Curtiss LeMay was from another era.

LeMay was used to massive casualties and back then nuclear weapons were seen much more as ordinary weapons that can be used. The idea was that they were usable weapons.

Now, especially after the 70's and 80's nuclear weapons have a far more psychological effect. Just look at if there's a nuclear accident in Japan, everybody looses their minds. Think about what panic would spread even if one small tactical nuclear weapon would be used. The fact is that people taught about a nuclear armageddon will just think about that, a nuclear armageddon, if "just" tactical nukes are used. The PR disaster would be just enormous.

And furthermore, a LeMay might have calculated during the Cuban Crisis that some Russian nukes might hit the CONUS with bad luck, but it would be worth it. Would even one small nuke hitting Guam be worth it? And basically if you would then flatten out North Korea, you think some Japanese and basically all the chicken littles of the World that know nothing of nuclear physics wouldn't be upset about the nuclear fallout?

The real question is, how great would any US administration look after a Korean war they "pre-empted"?

[Speaker to Animals]

Seoul is much too pedestrian for the Kims. Ivan isn't crazy. These Korean fuckers are truly crazy.

Have any of our members been stationed in Korea? My old man tells me that these fuckers from the peninsula are all CAF.

What makes him say that?

[Smitty-48]

Seems inconsistent that America would go so far as to invade and occupy Iraq over the slightest hint that they might have some minor WMD capability, but now is prepared to allow an unstable rogue like North Korea to reach the full on threshold of launch on warning against the CONUS, I mean, wtf? It's North Korea, what the hell's a matter with you people, slap them down now while you still can, is what Curtis LeMay would of course say.

[Smitty-48]

Curtiss LeMay was from another era.

What era was that? The era of two stage fission-fusion intercontinental hair trigger alert? I wasn't aware that we had entered a new era, I must have missed the whole stand down from launch on warning multilateral nuclear disarmament parade, what was I doing when that happened? You people need to pass on the memos.

[ssu]

Seems inconsistent that America would go so far as to invade and occupy Iraq over the slightest hint that they might have some minor WMD capability, but now is prepared to allow an unstable rogue like North Korea to reach the full on threshold of launch on warning against the CONUS, I mean, wtf? It's North Korea, what the hell's a matter with you people, slap them down now while you still can, is what Curtis LeMay would of course say.

Not at all! It's totally logical.

You see Iraq truly had just "possible" WMD's. It wasn't like Saddam had detonated nukes. North Koreans have the real thing.

And of course they had the "cake walk" of Desert Storm (and Desert Fox, which everybody forgets), which were the basic reason that neocons came to be so arrogant in the first place. They knew that Iraq would be a cakewalk. At least the Iraqi military... as they had fought it quite a lot.

[kybkh]

Here's your quick run down from the Good Guys!

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/10/her ... ign=buffer

[ssu]

Curtiss LeMay was from another era.

What era was that?

WW1 & WW2 era.

The era of total war, mobilization of the economy for war, conscription etc.