Why Family Values Are Economic Values

[SuburbanFarmer]

Fuck. I shouldn't even bother. But..

I know more than a few single mothers. Do you know what they need most of all? Fucking day care. That's what they need. The all want to work but they are trapped in part-time jobs and trying to find people to watch their kids for them. If they had day care, they wouldn't need all this other shit.

I don't know why this has to be spelled out for people. But if you want to really help these women, then let's start talking about day care, pre-school, and after school programs. Those three things solve the fucking problem.

If they don't solve the problem, then all likelihood, the kids need to be with dad.

Why, because he can afford more daycare?

I agree that daycare is absurdly expensive. But I'm not sticking my kid in a state-run daycare facility. Might as well make him an altar boy.

These kids are already pretty well fucked. They are the kids of single mothers. There exists no other demographic factor that will fuck your life up worse than being raised by a single mother. Not even being black comes close when you untangle the data (most of the blacks burning cities down are the products of single mothers).

Single motherhood is probably the biggest social cancer our society faces today. It's a huge problem. We need to stop funding it.

I agree that it's a bad thing. But I don't see a good solution. And I refuse to believe that women are actively pursuing that 'lifestyle' for the hell of it.

That said, there are undeniably cases of this. I'm familiar with a few. A real class-act got ahold of my gf's brother, and holds his daughter for ransom on a regular basis. Suffice it to say, there are a number of us eagerly awaiting her body to be found in a puddle of vomit.

[clubgop]

I agree that it's a bad thing. But I don't see a good solution. And I refuse to believe that women are actively pursuing that 'lifestyle' for the hell of it.

You say people do what they are incentivized to do, but they won't do that.

Really?

[SuburbanFarmer]

I agree that it's a bad thing. But I don't see a good solution. And I refuse to believe that women are actively pursuing that 'lifestyle' for the hell of it.

You say people do what they are incentivized to do, but they won't do that.

Really?

There are much stronger incentives at play in our society than welfare, with all its social stigma and limited benefit.

It's fairly obvious to me that this is part of the fallout from our culture disintegrating under corruption and the cynicism borne from it.

[Okeefenokee]

to milspecks on your ideas about black fathers being rounded up and thrown in prison for no reason,

[heydaralon]

I can't believe Trek just heard about this now

[Okeefenokee]

good watch,

[clubgop]

I agree that it's a bad thing. But I don't see a good solution. And I refuse to believe that women are actively pursuing that 'lifestyle' for the hell of it.

You say people do what they are incentivized to do, but they won't do that.

Really?

There are much stronger incentives at play in our society than welfare, with all its social stigma and limited benefit.

It's fairly obvious to me that this is part of the fallout from our culture disintegrating under corruption and the cynicism borne from it.

What are those incentives? Cause earlier you said there was a lack of opportunity that redistribution was the only option but now you claim there are other incentives?

Is poverty always due to corruption? Cause poverty is pretty low compared to the past. So was "our culture" more corrupt in the past?

[SuburbanFarmer]

You say people do what they are incentivized to do, but they won't do that.

Really?

There are much stronger incentives at play in our society than welfare, with all its social stigma and limited benefit.

It's fairly obvious to me that this is part of the fallout from our culture disintegrating under corruption and the cynicism borne from it.

What are those incentives? Cause earlier you said there was a lack of opportunity that redistribution was the only option but now you claim there are other incentives?

Is poverty always due to corruption? Cause poverty is pretty low compared to the past. So was "our culture" more corrupt in the past?

I've never called for a full "redistribution" policy, or anything like it. I do favor an AI system to distribute staple goods, but that's another topic.

The incentives toward poverty are cultural, imo. We have glorified poverty and selfishness in music, movies, and all sorts of other ways. On top of that, there has been a consistent undertone in our society for decades that corporations are favored over citizens. They rarely if ever face any kind of justice for their actions, and regularly are found to be betraying everything that they "stand for", all while blasting us 24/7 with PC advertising and sanitized fantasy worlds of nonsense, in a cynical cash grab. Our emotions are manipulated on a constant basis, leading to a fatigue and cynicism that is poisonous to the soul.

Nobody can maintain any sort of optimism in this environment, and it's increasingly impossible to even connect with nature or other people. We are slowly being cut off, isolated, and mentally tortured in the name of Profit.

It's no wonder we're losing our minds. People retreat to hedonism and self-pleasure, and the future is ignored. We barely have any control over it anyway, so "why bother"?

[Ex-California]

While I agree with you on most of those points GCF you've confirmed everyone's point that this has everything to do with a lack of family values.

When you have a real family structure around you you're less apt to get swallowed by the hedonism and the greed of the mass media and mass culture.

[SuburbanFarmer]

While I agree with you on most of those points GCF you've confirmed everyone's point that this has everything to do with a lack of family values.

When you have a real family structure around you you're less apt to get swallowed by the hedonism and the greed of the mass media and mass culture.

It does, but my point is that this is an effect of our society - not a loss of "godliness" or the fall of institutional religion.

Also, I don't know how corruption is 'measured', but I think we're reaching unprecedented levels.