London Tower Fire

[Smitty-48]

Case in point, Grenfell Tower, a run down public housing project from 1974, on some of the most valuable real estate in the United Kingdom, market forces came a calling, and the simple reality was that the poor could no longer afford to live on this land.

Is it any different for me? Is it any different for you? I could not afford a house in Rosedale in Downtown Toronto neither, so I bought a house outside the city, where I could afford a house like that.

Oh but wait, when the powers that be offered to build new housing further out of London for these people, what did the Labour Bolsheviks say?

"Social Cleansing!"

Oh no, can't do that, can't move to where you can afford to live, no, no, no, you have to stay here in this run down tower where no capital will ever be invested because it is a state run centrally planned dysfunctional socialist sacred cow...

... and then what happens? Oh, it gets so run down that it actually burns down right in place?

Yeah, I think I would have taken them up on the offer on a new place, and then took the train into town, which is what I do, even though I am actually a man of some means, not poor at all, but still have to live where I can afford a decent lifestyle, and that's nowhere near the most expensive land in the country, but thanks to the Labour Boshevists, these people had to die in place, just to make a point, in the name of a socialist sacred cow...

.. and now the Labour Party is pointing fingers at everyone else, "it's not us, it's you!"

And what do the poor do? Do they say, no, hold on, Labour Party, there was an offer on the table to take the taxes paid by the wealthy and build new buildings, installing sprinkler systems is something which is done when you build new, that's the sort of building we needed, this whole "Social Cleansing!" sacred cow is the thing that has backfired here, you're not helping us at all, with this Bolshevist nonsense you peddle.

Nope, apparently, they're after one of their own, simply for trying to identify a body, to the point where he needs to be locked up in jail, for his own protection from a mob of rampaging hooligans... what you can do for people like this? At what point do you simply cut the climbers rope and move on up without them?

If they insist on Bolshevism as the means to their salvation, there's nothing you can do to save them in any case, so no matter how wretched and pathetic their lot, a fool's errand is a fool's errand, either way.

[JohnDonne]

Seems like the building should have been brought up to code, no need to rebuild it and kick the poor out, just comply with the regulations.

If it was up to code, they should maybe rethink their rules.

[Speaker to Animals]

If the real estate is worth that much, then they should probably be moved elsewhere, the property sold, and the profits used to build smaller buildings for the former residents.

The idea that you should get to violate basic market forces just because you are poor is kind of dumb. I am not sure why anybody would defend it. If the property is worth so much, then they could sell it and provide the poor with better living accommodations elsewhere.

[Smitty-48]

Seems like the building should have been brought up to code, no need to rebuild it and kick the poor out, just comply with the regulations.

There was no capital being invested in the building, there's no sense trying to swim up river against market forces, just move them to a new building and let the market have its due, then everybody can have a sprinkler system, new public building, new luxury condominiums, sprinkler systems all around.

Not willing to move to make it happen? "Social Cleansing" you say? Very well then, but don't come crying to me after when the centrally planned socialist sacred cow that you insist on propping up, comes back to burn you. /shrugs

[Okeefenokee]

wonder how long its gonna be before people realize concentrating poor people in cities doesn't do them any good.

[Speaker to Animals]

wonder how long its gonna be before people realize concentrating poor people in cities doesn't do them any good.

It does a lot of good for leftist politicians.

[Smitty-48]

I have zero sympathy for the idea that the poor should not be forced to move by market forces, I'm forced to move by market forces, you're forced to move by market forces, what makes the poor so special that they don't have to live in our world? If they were special, they wouldn't be poor in the first place.

The market will determine if you're special, but if you're not, then just fucking move along already, snowflake. What? You just fell off the cabbage truck from Thirdworldistan, and you have limited skills and no capital to speak of? OK, first thing you should know, you can't afford West London, so, moving on...

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

I have zero sympathy for the idea that the poor should not be forced to move by market forces, I'm forced to move by market forces, you're forced to move by market forces, what makes the poor so special that they don't have to live in our world? If they were special, they wouldn't be poor in the first place.

The market will determine if you're special, but if you're not, then just fucking move along already, snowflake.

Who, may I ask, deserves the honor of your sympathy?

[Smitty-48]

Who, may I ask, deserves the honor of your sympathy?

I'm quite sympathetic to you actually, Hanarchy. Hell, I like you, you can come over to my house and fuck my sister.

[Okeefenokee]

the idea that the poor have any business living in places where the cost of living is higher than anywhere else in the nation is retarded.