The Smittyama End of History is a bit different, coinciding with the same events and time frame. I see the end of modern history, but to include western liberal democracy as well, Westphalia and Westminster are going away, the Demarchy will ultimately be subjugated to the Conjoined, but once they are conjoined, they won't care anymore, the Conjoined will be the natural state, autonomy will not be prized anymore, so no one will fight for it, the totalitarianism will not be imposed from above, but rather embraced from below.StCapps wrote:Fukuyama admits that he over-embellished a little on the End of History tip, but the basic premise, he still sticks to it, with a few caveats.Smitty-48 wrote:I would submit, we're into a much bigger super cycle than a mere eighty years, it's a four hundred year cycle, Peace of Munster to the Fall of the Berlin Wall, we're into uncharted territory now, wherein the cycles of modernity no longer apply, otherwise known as the End of History, Francis Fukuyama.
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The end of history happens when Jesus returns and throws the degenerates into a lake of fire. Until then.. lol. Every time people start talking about ends of history, watch out. Shit's about to get real. That's like when people start talking about how the market will never come down.
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The market goes up and down, the false assertion is that it will simply disappear into a black hole resulting in a post apocalyptic wasteland.
Modern history however, as underpinned by the Peace of Munster, that is collapsing, nationalists are regime dead enders, humpty dumpty cannot be put back together again, you'll never get them back on the farm, once they've seen the lights of Pair-ee.
The idea that you can de-globalize by reimposing Iron Curtains, that's not going to succeed.
Munster was overthrown relatively early on, by Philadelphia, the crown heads of Europe managed to stave off individual sovereignty for awhile, until the hegemonic succession of the Great War, the Cold War kept it at bay for a bit longer, but with the collapse of the Iron Curtain, the Demarchists have become totally ascendant now, individual sovereignty is supplanting Westphalia at a pace.
No crown, no sovereign, no borders, Westphalia was the bulwark, without it, there is no nation state.
Modern history however, as underpinned by the Peace of Munster, that is collapsing, nationalists are regime dead enders, humpty dumpty cannot be put back together again, you'll never get them back on the farm, once they've seen the lights of Pair-ee.
The idea that you can de-globalize by reimposing Iron Curtains, that's not going to succeed.
Munster was overthrown relatively early on, by Philadelphia, the crown heads of Europe managed to stave off individual sovereignty for awhile, until the hegemonic succession of the Great War, the Cold War kept it at bay for a bit longer, but with the collapse of the Iron Curtain, the Demarchists have become totally ascendant now, individual sovereignty is supplanting Westphalia at a pace.
No crown, no sovereign, no borders, Westphalia was the bulwark, without it, there is no nation state.
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I'd rather burn it all down and start over than globalism. Globalism is evil. It's everything we fought against.
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In the long run the globalists got this on lock, all you can do is slow them down a little. Throw a few speed bumps in their way, tap on the breaks, but they'll still get to their destination eventually.Speaker to Animals wrote:I'd rather burn it all down and start over than globalism. Globalism is evil. It's everything we fought against.
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It's not a thing which you can fight, with a headquarters in Moscow that you could overthrow, the conspiracy theory of a secret order which is running it from Davos or whatever is aluminum.
Without an Iron Curtain, it's occurring naturally, the masses simply vote with their feet.
The Iron Curtain was simply the last attempt to prop Westphalia up in the wake of the crown heads of Europe, but didn't work, and trying to reimpose it would be a fool's errand.
Without an Iron Curtain, it's occurring naturally, the masses simply vote with their feet.
The Iron Curtain was simply the last attempt to prop Westphalia up in the wake of the crown heads of Europe, but didn't work, and trying to reimpose it would be a fool's errand.
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Wishful thinking isn't going to stop the globalists, that's for damn sure.
You may want them to fail, but that doesn't mean that is going to be the outcome.
Living in denial about it, not a helpful strategy.
You may want them to fail, but that doesn't mean that is going to be the outcome.
Living in denial about it, not a helpful strategy.
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Bullshit. Most people reject it. I mean fucking news flash.
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Thinking that people voted for Trump for the same reasons that you did again, and drawing ridiculous conclusions about what most people want as a result. Wishful thinking and projection drives your analysis.Speaker to Animals wrote:Bullshit. Most people reject it. I mean fucking news flash.
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Globalism is not something which started just the other day, it's not something that came about in 1989, the crown heads of Europe were globalized, it was as globalized as it is now, in the 19th century, the crown heads of Europe were simply the arbiters of Westphalia, but that was overthrown at Yorktown, and once it was, it was just a matter of time before Philadelphia came to rule the world.
1870-1990 was simply an interlude, once the Iron Curtain collapsed, with it went the last vestiges of the crown heads of Europe, and with them, Westphalian sovereignty.
Now we're entirely into the American paradigm of individual sovereignty, and individual sovereigns cannot be kept down on the farm.
1870-1990 was simply an interlude, once the Iron Curtain collapsed, with it went the last vestiges of the crown heads of Europe, and with them, Westphalian sovereignty.
Now we're entirely into the American paradigm of individual sovereignty, and individual sovereigns cannot be kept down on the farm.
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