Women's March

[adwinistrator]

Thought experiment:

There is a major natural disaster in one of the 10 highest electoral vote states. Half of that state's population moves to other states. Should the electoral votes be rebalanced? Why, or why not.

How are electoral votes calculated now?

From Wakapadia:

A state's number of electors equals the number of representatives plus two electors for both senators the state has in the United States Congress. The number of representatives is based on the respective populations, determined every 10 years by the United States Census. Each representative represents on average 711,000 persons.

Under the Twenty-third Amendment, Washington, D.C. is allocated as many electors as it would have if it were a state, but no more electors than the least populous state. The least populous state (which is Wyoming according to the 2010 Census) has three electors; thus, D.C. cannot have more than three electors. Even if D.C. were a state, its population would entitle it to only three electors; based on its population per electoral vote, D.C. has the second highest per-capita Electoral College representation, after Wyoming.

Currently, there is a total of 538 electors, there being 435 representatives and 100 senators, plus the three electors allocated to Washington, D.C. The six states with the most electors are California (55), Texas (38), New York (29), Florida (29), Illinois (20) and Pennsylvania (20). The seven smallest states by population – Alaska, Delaware, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, and Wyoming – have three electors each. This is because each of these states is entitled to one representative and two senators.

So, the electoral votes are based on how many representatives a state has, if there was a major migration causing event, the electoral votes would not change for up to 2 presidential elections.

The whole reason this is so screwed up now, is because we've already broken the way the House of Representatives seats are proportioned.

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative…

-U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 2, clause 3

Now, this system might make sense, we'll just add representatives for the states with population growth... But, what if we run out of room?

Congress has capped the number of Representatives at 435 since the Apportionment Act of 1911 except for a temporary increase to 437 during the admission of Hawaii and Alaska as states in 1959. As a result, over the last century, congressional districts have more than tripled in size—from an average of roughly 212,000 inhabitants after the 1910 Census to about 710,000 inhabitants following the 2010 Census. Each state’s congressional delegation changes as a result of population shifts, with states either gaining or losing seats based on population. While the number of House Members for each state is determined according to a statistical formula in federal law, each state is then responsible for designing the shape of its districts so long as it accords with various provisions of the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which seeks to protect racial minorities’ voting and representation rights.

Wait a minute... So you just lock the number of reps, hence locking the number of electoral votes, and then reapportion everything using "formulas" every ten years, based on the census?

Well I'm sure the formulas probably do a good job at leveling everything out, right? Right?

[adwinistrator]

@California - Sorry man - you're a Zombie economy.....you just haven't realized it yet. The middle class is stumbling over themselves to get out....you're only importing residents who will drain your state's tax revenues....its just a matter of time. "Blah...blah....We're the world's 5th biggest economy...blah blah blah....." The trend is what matters....and you're trend is not good...sure the 0.1% techies are making $$$$....but what's happening to the middle?

They're all moving to the south, mostly to Texas. It's only the tech industry that's still alive, but that won't last. Austin and San Antonio will probably replace Silicon Valley. Texas is already dealing with this, passing laws banning cities from passing laws that violate state laws. Buncha transplants from hippie nation coming to the south and trying to set up little hippie fiefdoms. Got to put the kibosh on that.

What if that means Texas goes blue?

Quick, everyone, we need to abolish the Electoral College!!!

[Speaker to Animals]

When the financial collapse caused by democratic party state politics hits California, that state will turn red. Just like we see happening in Michigan and the Rust Belt.

[Okeefenokee]

@California - Sorry man - you're a Zombie economy.....you just haven't realized it yet. The middle class is stumbling over themselves to get out....you're only importing residents who will drain your state's tax revenues....its just a matter of time. "Blah...blah....We're the world's 5th biggest economy...blah blah blah....." The trend is what matters....and you're trend is not good...sure the 0.1% techies are making $$$$....but what's happening to the middle?

They're all moving to the south, mostly to Texas. It's only the tech industry that's still alive, but that won't last. Austin and San Antonio will probably replace Silicon Valley. Texas is already dealing with this, passing laws banning cities from passing laws that violate state laws. Buncha transplants from hippie nation coming to the south and trying to set up little hippie fiefdoms. Got to put the kibosh on that.

What if that means Texas goes blue?

Quick, everyone, we need to abolish the Electoral College!!!

As old fashioned as mexicans are, it won't take long before the transplants give up hiding their derision for such backwards people. Houston will be the first place they try to gentrify, and the party leaders better be ready with their war chest when it happens.

[The Conservative]

@California - Sorry man - you're a Zombie economy.....you just haven't realized it yet. The middle class is stumbling over themselves to get out....you're only importing residents who will drain your state's tax revenues....its just a matter of time. "Blah...blah....We're the world's 5th biggest economy...blah blah blah....." The trend is what matters....and you're trend is not good...sure the 0.1% techies are making $$$$....but what's happening to the middle?

The last time I confronted them with this information they got pretty hostile. Californians don't want to hear it. They have to learn the hard way.

Sometimes learning the way of hard knocks is the best way... regretfully a lot of bad has to happen before good does though.

[apeman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaadfwY5bw4

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Just because I am too retarded to figure out how to post from youtube doesn't mean you shouldn't watch this mash-up of the women's march and Hillary's campaign ad "our children are watching." Masterful.

[Speaker to Animals]

@California - Sorry man - you're a Zombie economy.....you just haven't realized it yet. The middle class is stumbling over themselves to get out....you're only importing residents who will drain your state's tax revenues....its just a matter of time. "Blah...blah....We're the world's 5th biggest economy...blah blah blah....." The trend is what matters....and you're trend is not good...sure the 0.1% techies are making $$$$....but what's happening to the middle?

The last time I confronted them with this information they got pretty hostile. Californians don't want to hear it. They have to learn the hard way.

Sometimes learning the way of hard knocks is the best way... regretfully a lot of bad has to happen before good does though.

Based on recent history, I'd say Californians are nearly immune to learning from their mistakes. For example, see the energy debacle of the 1990s -- they still do the same things that led to rolling blackouts.

[K@th]

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[adwinistrator]

To pinpoint the issue with the EC, is the issue with House of Representative seats appropriation.

I've made this spreadsheet using the current census figured, House seats, and calculated seats per capita and seats per million.



Shit like this is not good (graph includes senators):



The constitution laid it out pretty straight, 1 house seat for every 30,000 voting citizens. If you need to modify the formula, fine, but make it even.

[apeman]

put the stuff after the = between the tags.

Cheers Kath.

Watch it all.