Obama's Parting Gifts

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Setting aside economic concerns involved with increased population, I'd put my money on western civilization being able to weather all comers, and thrive

What evidence are you relying on to assert this conclusion?

Or is it just that your ideology demands that you believe this?

Western civilization has done well enough so far. I'm no expert, but I assume this didn't happen with a total lack of adversity.
And, I did say I know it isn't a forgone conclusion. You might be surprised how little my ideology demands.

[Speaker to Animals]

Setting aside economic concerns involved with increased population, I'd put my money on western civilization being able to weather all comers, and thrive

What evidence are you relying on to assert this conclusion?

Or is it just that your ideology demands that you believe this?

Western civilization has done well enough so far. I'm no expert, but I assume this didn't happen with a total lack of adversity.
And, I did say I know it isn't a forgone conclusion. You might be surprised how little my ideology demands.

Until now, Western Civilization has just been us, the people who created and maintained it.. you know.. people of European ancestry..

You can't argue that upending the demographic basis of our civilization won't result in chaos because the West has done just fine for thousands of years when for thousands of years there have been no major demographic shifts outside our race.

And even there.. one can point out the huge demographic shifts we did see, which did result in total collapse, such as the German migration into Gaul, Britannia, and even the Italian peninsula. It took a long time for Germanic people to become civilized, and they were within the broader category of the Caucasian race..

Which is where Spencer had a point. This latest iteration of western civilization began in northern Europe in the middle ages, and is based on Germanic peoples. Something happened to us in the middle ages that allowed for this civilization to emerge. I think a good case has been made that this "something" was a genetic adaptation that happened as a result of us constantly grappling with the Malthusian trap.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

People predict chaos and collapse over every minor divergence from what they are comfortable with.

This might be the change that finally brings the whole edifice crumbling down... but I doubt it.

I would also point out that trying to tie broad phenotypical behaviors like 'civilization' to a particular and fairly recent genetic adaption is hard to swallow. Remember, human beings are creatures with a surprising lack of genetic diversity, and you can often find more genetic variation between two individuals of the same race than between two individuals from different races.

Again, not impossible, but very unlikely.

[Speaker to Animals]

People predict chaos and collapse over every minor divergence from what they are comfortable with.

This might be the change that finally brings the whole edifice crumbling down... but I doubt it.

I would also point out that trying to tie broad phenotypical behaviors like 'civilization' to a particular and fairly recent genetic adaption is hard to swallow. Remember, human beings are creatures with a surprising lack of genetic diversity, and you can often find more genetic variation between two individuals of the same race than between two individuals from different races.

Again, not impossible, but very unlikely.

You deliberately try to mis-characterize what people argue. This is not some minor deviation from comfort. We are being dispossessed of our own nations by deliberate leftist/globalist policies enforced against our wills. People taking your side of this issue would have us reduced to the state of Jews from the first century until the 1940s. I am not cool with that. Sorry. I think you guys will just turn Europe and North America into exactly what you see in Africa, the Middle East, or in Latin America (the best outcome, which is telling).

Move to Egypt and see what it is like living as a minority in a Muslim nation before you decide that should be the future for our entire race.

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Obama also pardoned retired Marine Gen. James Cartwright, the former vice-chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who pleaded guilty to lying to federal investigators when he denied that he revealed to the New York Times the existence of a highly classified campaign to cripple Iran’s nuclear program with a computer worm.

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[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

People predict chaos and collapse over every minor divergence from what they are comfortable with.

This might be the change that finally brings the whole edifice crumbling down... but I doubt it.

I would also point out that trying to tie broad phenotypical behaviors like 'civilization' to a particular and fairly recent genetic adaption is hard to swallow. Remember, human beings are creatures with a surprising lack of genetic diversity, and you can often find more genetic variation between two individuals of the same race than between two individuals from different races.

Again, not impossible, but very unlikely.

You deliberately try to mis-characterize what people argue. This is not some minor deviation from comfort. We are being dispossessed of our own nations by deliberate leftist/globalist policies enforced against our wills. People taking your side of this issue would have us reduced to the state of Jews from the first century until the 1940s. I am not cool with that. Sorry. I think you guys will just turn Europe and North America into exactly what you see in Africa, the Middle East, or in Latin America (the best outcome, which is telling).

Move to Egypt and see what it is like living as a minority in a Muslim nation before you decide that should be the future for our entire race.

Now who is calling whom a Hitler? Tsk tsk Speaker, I though you and I were past all that.

I have no love for the religion of peace, or its prophet, peace be upon him. Race doesn't play into it, and I believe good ideas beat bad ideas, and Islam is largely bad ideas.

[TheReal_ND]

Muslim culture is a significant factor to consider regarding immigration let alone race.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

I am not thrilled with the idea of establishing some sort of religious test as a requirement for entry into the US. That is a non-starter as far as I am concerned. I am open to any other methods of combating the terrible ideas in Islam and making sure the laws of a free and open civil society aren't undermined by Islamist chicanery.

[LVH2]

I hear that BO has commuted the sentence of Chelsea Manning, I read that he should be free by May?

I beat Obama like a rabid dog with every chance I got over the last 8 years but he deserves credit where credit is due. I am very pleased.

Just heard it on the radio. I was very surprised, and also very pleased.

Apart from politics, I feel like Obama has a lot more humanity than the usual reptilian ghouls. I think that's why he's so popular. Wish he'd made more of it.

[Speaker to Animals]

People predict chaos and collapse over every minor divergence from what they are comfortable with.

This might be the change that finally brings the whole edifice crumbling down... but I doubt it.

I would also point out that trying to tie broad phenotypical behaviors like 'civilization' to a particular and fairly recent genetic adaption is hard to swallow. Remember, human beings are creatures with a surprising lack of genetic diversity, and you can often find more genetic variation between two individuals of the same race than between two individuals from different races.

Again, not impossible, but very unlikely.

You deliberately try to mis-characterize what people argue. This is not some minor deviation from comfort. We are being dispossessed of our own nations by deliberate leftist/globalist policies enforced against our wills. People taking your side of this issue would have us reduced to the state of Jews from the first century until the 1940s. I am not cool with that. Sorry. I think you guys will just turn Europe and North America into exactly what you see in Africa, the Middle East, or in Latin America (the best outcome, which is telling).

Move to Egypt and see what it is like living as a minority in a Muslim nation before you decide that should be the future for our entire race.

Now who is calling whom a Hitler? Tsk tsk Speaker, I though you and I were past all that.

I have no love for the religion of peace, or its prophet, peace be upon him. Race doesn't play into it, and I believe good ideas beat bad ideas, and Islam is largely bad ideas.

Huh?