Barack Obama's Legacy -- How strong of a President is he historically?

[PartyOf5]

Is being a statesman simply someone being able to put on a good show?

In Obama's case, yes. Then again, there were plenty of times he insulted those who did not agree with him, which is something a true statesman would not do. This is why I consider his to be an act, rather than a true quality. His true quality was putting on the show.

[Ex-California]

Is being a statesman simply someone being able to put on a good show?

In Obama's case, yes. Then again, there were plenty of times he insulted those who did not agree with him, which is something a true statesman would not do. This is why I consider his to be an act, rather than a true quality. His true quality was putting on the show.

I think anyone who's looked at as a "statesman" is simply someone who knows how to put on a good show. The substance behind doesn't really matter beyond the surface, especially when the events are current rather than historical

[SuburbanFarmer]

Fine. Based on all of the nits being picked here, I’ll rephrase.

Obama was the last “dignified” president. There won’t be another one until after The Collapse.

[Fife]

"Dignified?"

LOL you starfuckers slay me.

Fuck POTUS. I mean that in the generic sense.

[PartyOf5]

What GCF means to say is that Obama was the last president who wasn't Trump.

[Ex-California]

Fine. Based on all of the nits being picked here, I’ll rephrase.

Obama was the last “dignified” president. There won’t be another one until after The Collapse.

I think what you mean to say is that he was the last President that the worldwide media fawned over, and honestly that was because he was a smooth talking black guy

[SuburbanFarmer]

What GCF means to say is that Obama was the last president who wasn't Trump.

That’s also correct, in a meta sense.

[C-Mag]

Things will be broken by Trump, some may be hard to fix, but there will be a rejuvination.

Once again, I’m a bit stunned by your optimism. I’d like for you to be right, but unless people suddenly pay attention to congressional elections, it’s all of the downside without the benefits.

I'm short term pessimistic, long term optimistic.
My beliefs are an amalgamation of looking at history and watching current events closely for the last 15 years +/-.

It seems obvious to me that we are in a period of political upheval and change. As far as the US goes, I reject this idea of the 'party switch'. However, what I do see is one party dominating US politics for several generations which results in that party becoming the entrenched establishment. The party in power can't avoid becoming the Deep State, intermeshed with crony capitalism, dominating the press and culture.

Eventually, after several generations, the people can no longer ignore the deep state because it no longer serves them, only it's own interests. The young Democrat party whipped the Whigs until 1860, over that time the party morphed until the Democrats of 1860 really didn't resemble its Jeffersonian Roots. The GOP had their period until the Great Depression and FDR. The GOP was too old, tired and tied into the establishment to be able to avoid the crash or do much about it once it happend.

Likewise, here we are. Progressivism is a dead ideology, after a century it's morphed in Social Justice and taken to it's logical conclusion it is untenable. Enter Trump, the agent of change.

Trump's policies are his long held views, look at interviews with him from the 80s. They also mirror views of the middle class and working class. I believe this is due to Trump's father who was self made and instilled those values in his son. Like it or not, Trump is reshaping American policy away from Progressivism and Social Justice. Personally I think that is really important, even if some eggs get broken.

[clubgop]

What GCF means to say is that Obama was the last president who wasn't Trump.

That’s also correct, in a meta sense.

This is genuinely sad. He Now has to go big or go home since memorial day is fast approaching and his predictions of springtime for literally Hitler are dying. He has to move those goalpost and make them even more ominous than last. Just remember this idiot doesn't know how a primary election works telling us all he knows about the Government and Constitution he's never read about. Talking about the collapse of the US government while advocating the confiscation of people right to basic self defense.

[clubgop]

Likewise, here we are. Progressivism is a dead ideology, after a century it's morphed in Social Justice and taken to it's logical conclusion it is untenable. Enter Trump, the agent of change.

Has social justice reached it logical conclusion? I think there is a lot of crazy to come. You might be right that people are not tolerating it anymore but what alternative do they have? I still see a seesaw for the next foreseeable future. We are too polarized to flip one way or another and fucking idiots that have the nerve to call other people idiots don't know what primary elections much less actually participate in them.