THE ERA OF TRUMP

[ssu]

@ssu - I still don't see any evidence that lead the intelligence agencies to their conclusion that Russia did it. You can take their word for it if you want, until they have something aside from "just trust us" I will remain skeptical, you should too.

I actually was sceptical at first when it was just unnamed White House officials hinting at it. That reeked of election mudslinging. If it would have ended there, then it likely would have been a Clinton Spin Machine thing.

Now I just look at the big picture, which you seem not to be looking at as you have those Trump blinders on (and think that this is some conspiratorial continuation of election ranting and just about the hackings of DNC/Podesta). Not only the common statement by various intelligence services and especially the FBI saying the same after the election, but also MI6 and UK Goverment, the German BND coming up with similar statements of Russia's actions elsewhere (see for example More than just hacks: Russia's 'hybrid warfare' has been targeting western Europe for months). The Kremlin increasing it's media budget into the billions and even Putin himself commenting the elections and that the hacked emails are damning for Clinton (an extremely rare thing and unordinary thing for a foreign leader to do). But somehow that doesn't count. Oh no, it's just the sore losers, the democrats.

And then there's the point I try to make: the only thing Trump ought not to do is fucking deny and dismiss his intelligence services. He could be just silent, or make some simple comments (that I described earlier), but hell no. He has to say that they are WRONG. And that's the problem here, he just makes this worse.

To start to argue against the services is here the thing that I detest.

So you tell me about the HUGE globalist CONSPIRACY against Trump done by the intelligence sercives and the FBI. Similar stories likely to be found in some Alex Jones la-la-land hallucinations.

[StCapps]

I am telling you to wait for evidence before taking their word for it. Talk to me when the intelligence community says why they came to their conclusion that Russia were behind the hacks, until they do it's mere speculation. You just want to believe the worst about Russia so you give the intelligence community the benefit of the doubt despite presenting zero evidence. It's you who has the blinders on ssu, not I.

[BjornP]

Yeah, Capps...why on Earth would Russia even want to influence US public and political opinion? Being their main global competitor and rival is hardly a reason, right? Russia is, in fact, a victim of the US. Just like Trump.

SJW's have their poor, victimized little brown people. Trumpettes have their poor, victimized Russian siloviks.

[Zlaxer]

Even if the Ruskies are the ones who leaked the goods to Wikileaks (WikiLeaks btw denies it was a state actor)....it doesn't change the contents of the leaks...which Billary and the DNC conveniently seem to gloss over.....so you're saying it would be better if that info never came to light?

[Smitty-48]

The inherent flaw of course, in the liberals desperately breathless attempt to pearl clutch a Red Scare in a teapot, is that the West and America therein, was never an enemy of Russia, simply because they were the Russians, the only enemy in Russia, was on the Left, where Russia was on the Right, we never had a problem with them, the Czar was never the enemy of the Crown nor the American Republic, quite the opossite in fact, to wit, so long as Vladimir Putin is not attempting to aid a One World Socialist Revolution, but is in fact a bulwark against it, there is no casus belli with Russia, and the fact of the matter is, there is no prohibition in them taking a position in the election, it's actually protected speech under the First Ammendment as soon as it hits the waterline at the shore.

We on the right have the courage of our convictions, to wit, are we willing to beat the Left over the head with a Russian cudgel? Of course, so long as that cudgel is not trying to impose a World Socialist Revolution by force of arms; all is fair, let freedom ring.

Is that Russian cudgel a two way street? Sure, try as you like, Lefties, see how that works out for you, but since you're a bunch of gutless panty waists who would appease the Russians on your knees rather than fight them, I seriously doubt anybody on our side is going to buy you as the bulwarks against them, and the only people who matter to our side, are on our side, your side, is of no consequence.

Trump has got James Patton 2.0 Mattis, who have you got as a bulwark again? Oh yeah, Barry Soetoro, not exacly a bunch of Winston Churchill's over there, now is yeas?

[Montegriffo]

where Russia was on the Right, we never had a problem with them, the Czar was never the enemy of the Crown

Ahem, 1853-1856.

[Smitty-48]

where Russia was on the Right, we never had a problem with them, the Czar was never the enemy of the Crown

Ahem, 1853-1856.

Oh yeah, in defence of whom, squire? The Turkish Sultan? Oh please do go ahead, Lefties, align yourselves with the Turkish Sultan, see how that works out for you, didn't work out so well for the British and French in Crimea, enjoy the charge Lefty Brigades, right into the teeth of our Russian guns. <cackles maniacally>

[ssu]

I am telling you to wait for evidence before taking their word for it. Talk to me when the intelligence community says why they came to their conclusion that Russia were behind the hacks, until they do it's mere speculation. You just want to believe the worst about Russia so you give the intelligence community the benefit of the doubt despite presenting zero evidence. It's you who has the blinders on ssu, not I.

So you think there would be some proof that you then would believe then and not just ignore them as propaganda & lies... because they are American intelligence services. Do look at the bigger picture. Hacking is just part of it.

The worst about Russia? Look, seems like you assume that Russia doesn't carry out disinformation and subversion operations, but is a totally normal country minding it's own business and is shamefully accused of being the culprit.

[ssu]

SJW's have their poor, victimized little brown people. Trumpettes have their poor, victimized Russian siloviks.

Bravo.

[Smitty-48]

Do the American Intelligence agencies have more credbility in America than Vladimir Putin? I don't think so, although at least in this case they will not be fabricating anything, when they say that Russia has the "WMD!!!" lol

Thanks to the Lefties mostly in fact; NSA, CIA, FBI; thy name is mud. The Lefties spend decades tearing these institutions down in front of the public, then suddenly they turn around and try to invoke them as paragons of credibility? LOL what?