Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

[Smitty-48]

Yeah, people been taking freedom throughout history, that's why the concept of liberty, alliances, was so powerful.

I recognize the value of association, to wit strength in numbers, but it can be overplayed, so you're collective liberty granted, becomes a tyrrany unto itself, always have to be ready, to wrest freedom from the hands of liberty, without asking permission to do so.

[Martin Hash]

I know, you've told us before, but otherwise, I pretty much agree with most of your positions.

[Smitty-48]

Liberty is a double edged sword, when you invoke liberty, you are invoking the granting of freedoms, but also the prohibition of freedoms, at the same time, an authoritarian institution can grant liberties, while still being opressive overall, thus liberty in of itself, is vastly overrated.

When the government paroles you from prison after 20 years for a crime you didn't commit; that's liberty, folks.

[Okeefenokee]

Do you think it seems plausible that after Assad leveled Allepo and has all but defeated ISIS and the rebels, that he would then resort to a chemical attack to kill about a hundred people and draw the ire of the rest of the world? Because it doesn't seem plausible to me.

He's walking into the endzone with not much opposition left on the field. Why break out gas at the end of the fight when conventional munitions have been doing the job the whole time?

Chemical weapons work not because they kill the most people but because they spread the most terror.
Has no one considered the fact that Assad felt emboldened to use chemical weapons as a result of being supported by the only major power in the field whilst having an American president who stated he was not going to get involved in the ME any more.
I think Trump's military advisers managed to convince him that unless he made a stand his isolationist stance could lead to a lot more of this happening and in fact a red line needed to be drawn.

that was not an answer. that was an msm talking point you parroted like a good trained pet. answer the question or gtfo.

[Okeefenokee]

toppling middle east governments leads to nothing good. nothing. get with the program.

It cannot lead to anything good? So, if a Middle Eastern country has completely banned the import of American goods and services, is infiltrated by the CIA and they lead to the regime being toppled by a new, US-friendly regime that allows for the entry of American goods and services into their country, that would not improve how much money US companies could make in foreign exports?

go write a childrens book if you want to talk about fairy tales that have not and never will happen

[Okeefenokee]

This is why I think we should limit enfranchisement to veterans.

If you think firing "warning shots" at Russia makes military sense, then you shouldn't vote.

That doesn't mean there aren't plenty of veterans who support stupid shit, but it's certainly limited compared to what I see in the general population.

The only time "warning shots" makes sense is against a vastly inferior force and you are telling them they are about to get annihilated in short order if they don't surrender or disperse.

If you are going to shoot at Russia, you better make it count.

Nothing in this shit show is going to improve as long as we let everyone vote, and it's gonna take a war or a revolution to pile up the bodies high enough for people to understand that not all of them are qualified to vote.

[Martin Hash]

Most people don't vote. Elections that can be swung by the accidental or idiot votes were too close to provide a mandate anyway. It's simple math, if wealth is redistributed, half of the people will benefit & half will lose out.

[TheReal_ND]

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/politi ... sCatID=510

Turkey's foreign roachlord said on April 8 that in the absence of strong follow-up efforts, the U.S. missile strike on Syrian regime base could amount to nothing but a “cosmetic" move that accomplishes little.
Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu said, "The ideal solution is Turkish occupation and annexation of former Ottoman territories."
"Hopefully stability and peace will come back to Syria at the end of a roach forged bayonet" Turkey's top diplomat said

[Smitty-48]

If you're going to have a special enfranchisement class, it should be the landed gentry, the land owners with skin in the game, not veterans, anybody who served in the military, should well know that the last people you would want running your civil affairs, are the useless power tripping idiots who were in your chain of command, you'd just end up with a police state Junta running a Banana Republic.

[Martin Hash]

Turkey's foreign roachlord said on April 8 that in the absence of strong follow-up efforts, the U.S. missile strike on Syrian regime base could amount to nothing but ah “cosmetic" move that accomplishes little.
Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu said, "The ideal solution is Turkish occupation and annexation of former Ottoman territories."
"Hopefully stability and peace will come back to Syria at the end of a roach forged bayonet" Turkey's top diplomat said

I love the honesty of that guy.