THE ERA OF TRUMP

[StCapps]

We aren't shipping tar sands over seas you retard. It's worthless. We ship finished product.

It would transport synthetic crude to be refined for delivery on futures contract.

At best, you will get some business through refining, which is hardly worth the costs and risks, as well as the opportunity loss of not charging them to transport their oil here in the first place.

The benefit you gain from refining is easily worth the costs of transporting the oil via pipeline, especially while Canada slacks hardcore on the refinery tip. Now the deal could easily be made to be even better for America and y'all might want to hold out for a better deal, but the current deal is plenty positive for America, don't kid yourself.

Canada could just as well build their own refineries, and ship the oil across their own country.

Yeah we could, but our government is too retarded to allow the building of the necessary refineries, let alone the necessary pipelines, so that we can make more of the oil money and instead of shipping the crude to America so you can refine it and make most of the money or ship it to some other country who will refine it and make most of the money. Canada is a little slow like that though, it's the way she goes.

[TheReal_ND]

We don't ship crude. Especially not tar sand. Saudi ships thiers because its light and sweet. Although they do some refining even still.

[StCapps]

We don't ship crude. Especially not tar sand. Saudi ships thiers because its light and sweet. Although they do some refining even still.

Canada ships oil to the US and you refine it. Who gets the better end of that deal? It's fairly obvious. Shipping crude oil is not as profitable as shipping the refined product and we lack the ability to refine it on the scale that you can. This is not a bad deal for America, even though the room for improvement on America's end is quite clear. Y'all seriously need to stop shitting on Keystone XL as if it fucks America over somehow because the deal isn't completely optimal, at least it looks like Trump sees the light.

[TheReal_ND]

Foreign nations should not make use of American resources without compensating the American people. Period. Full stop.

That's what MAGA means. We put the American people first. We don't put Canada first. We don't put a few oil refining companies first. The American people.

This does not put the American people first. At all.

What in the literal fuck? You think they just ship it to Chicago and Houston for the fuck of it? We buy it and refine. Then ship. Hell they may even refine it in one of their refineries here like, Husky in Ohio.

This is a lot of good paying jobs. Full stop. Retard.

[StCapps]

Foreign nations should not make use of American resources without compensating the American people. Period. Full stop.

That's what MAGA means. We put the American people first. We don't put Canada first. We don't put a few oil refining companies first. The American people.

This does not put the American people first. At all.

What in the literal fuck? You think they just ship it to Chicago and Houston for the fuck of it? We buy it and refine. Then ship. Hell they may even refine it in one of their refineries here like, Husky in Ohio.

This is a lot of good paying jobs. Full stop. Retard.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Foreign nations should not make use of American resources without compensating the American people. Period. Full stop.

That's what MAGA means. We put the American people first. We don't put Canada first. We don't put a few oil refining companies first. The American people.

This does not put the American people first. At all.

What in the literal fuck? You think they just ship it to Chicago and Houston for the fuck of it? We buy it and refine. Then ship. Hell they may even refine it in one of their refineries here like, Husky in Ohio.

This is a lot of good paying jobs. Full stop. Retard.

I had no idea there was a refinery in Lima.. What a ridiculous location - it's WAY far inland from the lake, and not even on a major river... Smacks of government Stupid, actually.

[TheReal_ND]

That refinery is about a century old. Used to work there. Good money.

[Speaker to Animals]

Foreign nations should not make use of American resources without compensating the American people. Period. Full stop.

That's what MAGA means. We put the American people first. We don't put Canada first. We don't put a few oil refining companies first. The American people.

This does not put the American people first. At all.

What in the literal fuck? You think they just ship it to Chicago and Houston for the fuck of it? We buy it and refine. Then ship. Hell they may even refine it in one of their refineries here like, Husky in Ohio.

This is a lot of good paying jobs. Full stop. Retard.

You don't know what you are talking about. You might have some experience eefining, but you don't understand futures at all.

[TheReal_ND]

Ok dumbass. Let's make it simple for you. Tar sand EXPENSIVE. Saudi oil CHEAP. Pipe makes more cheap. Therefore more competitive = more drilling, manufacturing, refining, shipping scaffolding, masonry, everything oil related.

[Speaker to Animals]

Ok dumbass. Let's make it simple for you. Tar sand EXPENSIVE. Saudi oil CHEAP. Pipe makes more cheap. Therefore more competitive = more drilling, manufacturing, refining, shipping scaffolding, masonry, everything oil related.

More drilling benefits Canada.

Cheaper refining of synthoil benefits Canada.

The contracts are bought and sold in the NYMEX, mostly to foreign parties.

There is a one-time, minuscule impact on jobs for about six months, hiring maybe a few thousand people before they are right back on welfare or disability. That's not enough to justify this project.

There is a slight benefit to refineries, which might hire maybe a few hundred more people, and it might better secure jobs of their existing employees. Still not enough to justify the risks.

The entire project is questionable. China, for example, has lost billions in this tar sands debacle.

It's not at all clear that investment in Canadian oil sands makes a lick of sense, financially. We could end up with a shit ton of pipeline for no purpose.

I had hoped we would learn our lesson after the Deep Water Horizon disaster, that foreign governments and corporations will NOT pay the costs when they fuck up.


Fuck no to this pipeline. Fuck that. We don't need it. If they want to ship millions of barrels of oil all the way across the United States, then they need to pay us upfront for every last barrel.