LET'S BAN GUNS!

[Fife]

I'm merely saying that these are the weapons that the nut jobs tend to use, and that a society can take that into account when deciding what reasonable regulations should be enacted. The fact that they could use other weapons that would be more effective with a little training doesn't cut against that conclusion. I could provide some fanciful hypotheticals to illustrate that point, but I don't think it's necessary.

Ban a type a gun, they will find another... ban that, they will find another. Ban all guns, they will use a knife. Ban all knives they will use rope. Ban rope, they will use their hands.

Let's flip that around. Why regulate or ban tanks, grenades, hell private fighter jets if you can afford them, more than you would regulate your hands or a butter knife?

Or phrased simpler: If you can kill with anything, why at all ban anything that can kill?

What, logically speaking, could be the reason, TC?

Let's do yet another flip. Why not just "ban" everything?

[Speaker to Animals]

We don't regulate fighter jets. There are private corporations that have them. We regulate explosives, which is what ordinance is. Tanks are the same way. There are people out there with their own tanks. No problem.

[Smitty-48]

Grenades are regulated as a "destructive device" under the NFA, regulated but not banned, private tanks and fighter planes are legal, knock yourself out, private tanks and fighter planes are legal in Canada, never mind the USA, even in the UK, where gun banning is off the charts, private tanks and fighter planes are legal.

[Speaker to Animals]

I suspect there would be good money in a mercenary composite wing for hire. If you could maintain a transport squadron to get your kit into the theater, a couple of refuelers to help get your aircraft there, an air interdiction squadrion for air supremacy and air strikes, and a couple of bombers.. man. That would be perfect. Add in something like those little modern version of the Vietnmam-era Sandies for CAS.

Basically, like 3-4 transports, 2 refuelers, 6-8 fighters, and 3-4 bombers. Add in something for CAS and maybe an EW aircraft for jamming. If you suspect lots of air defense, you are going to need wild weasel roles too.

And think about this.. The USAF is upgrading the refuelers. There will be KC-135 aircraft for sale. You can purchase fighters from Sweden or something like that. Those Grippens would be perfect. Russians have some old bombers.


Or just pick up some old Cold War planes from the third world whenever they upgrade.

[BjornP]

Ban a type a gun, they will find another... ban that, they will find another. Ban all guns, they will use a knife. Ban all knives they will use rope. Ban rope, they will use their hands.

Let's flip that around. Why regulate or ban tanks, grenades, hell private fighter jets if you can afford them, more than you would regulate your hands or a butter knife?

Or phrased simpler: If you can kill with anything, why at all ban anything that can kill?

What, logically speaking, could be the reason, TC?

Let's do yet another flip. Why not just "ban" everything?

Leeeeet's just start by explaining or letting TC explain why there might exist a difference between banning one thing that can kill you and another thing that can also kill you. As in, what really is the difference between your fists and one of those missiles that you can fire from a fighter jet? Or, the difference between a tommy gun and a banana peel? You can kill with both.

Answering that ought to answer the "why not just ban everything" question.

[Speaker to Animals]

Tommy guns are not banned. My dad has one. They are really nice.

[Smitty-48]

That's the funny thing about gun control retardation, a Tommy Gun is banned in Canada... but not an M14. lol.

.45ACP automatic? "OH NOES, A MACHINE GUN!!!"

7.62x51mm semi? "Hey, no problem".

The main reason I don't give a shit about Canadian gun control; liberals are so fuckin' stoopid when it comes to guns, they don't even know how to crimp my style.

The guns they are scared of? I wouldn't bother with that junk, even if it was legal.

The guns they think are "safe"? With those, I could kill you all, from eight football fields away, ain't no thang.

Legal .308 bolt v. banned Tommy Gun? Tommy doesn't stand a chance, doesn't even get a shot off before he gets one in the grape.

What? You wanna do CQB instead? OK, Tommy, but I just got you, straight through that wall you were hiding behind, one shot one kill.

.308 bolt, CQB?

No problemo, that just went through the wall you were hiding behind, then you, then the wall behind you, and into the beer fridge in the garage, whoops.

I just put another round from my pocket in the breach, whose next?

Wait, what? You're gonna give me an M14? Mwahahahaha! You better run now, Tommy boy, bet dat.

[Smitty-48]

Oh, and five round mags? Rly? As if that would slow me down.

Never mind that you could easily aquire hi-cap mags if you chose to, never mind that you could change mags so fast it wouldn't make any difference, but seriously, when we used to do live fire house clearing with fully automatic rifles and at least five 30 rd mags?

I probably only used five rounds total, I'd be lucky if there was five targets for me to shoot, but it's not like I used more than five rounds to shoot them, I just come into the room, shoot the target in the head, done and done, one shot one kill, no need to use more than that. I don't need more than a five round mag, how many tactical engagement scenarios really require more than five rounds at a time? Not that many actually.

It's like the guy in Vegas, he could have just set up with a .308 bolt and five round mags, and starting shooting people in the head, one at a time, and could have killed more than 59 people before people really figured out what was going on, he's blasting away on fully automatic, and people were still saying "that's not even a real gun", so how long does it take them to figure out that they are under fire, with one shot coming in at a time?

If he shoots from deep in the room, they're barely gonna hear the report from 500 yards away, 59 people would be dead, and the guy on stage wouldn't even have noticed, the music would have played on, most of the crowd wouldn't have even known they were being shot at.

*whup*....sssswwwhack!

"Did you hear that? What was that?" "I didn't hear anything, what are you talking about?"

*whup*....sssswwwhack!

"That, didn't you just hear that?" "Nope I didn't hear anything"

*whup*....sssswwwhack!

"There it is again, do you hear somebody screaming? That sounds like screaming..."

"Yeah, you're right, that does sound like..."SSSSSSSWWWWwhack!

[Montegriffo]

Yeah, but what's your point, they couldn't have done it without NFA prohibited weapons? Did they use a bumb stock? Did they need thirty round magazines? James Holmes couldn't have lit up a theater with a pump action shotgun? Retarded kid there couldn't have lit up a school with a pump action shotgun? Pretty sure they could have.

How much traning do you need, to hand load shells into the breach, pocket full of shells, shoot all day? It's on youtube, take you five minutes to learn how to do it, if you wanna get really good, just watch The Art of Tactical Shotgun by Magpul Dynamics, who knew?

I'm merely saying that these are the weapons that the nut jobs tend to use, and that a society can take that into account when deciding what reasonable regulations should be enacted. The fact that they could use other weapons that would be more effective with a little training doesn't cut against that conclusion. I could provide some fanciful hypotheticals to illustrate that point, but I don't think it's necessary.

Ban a type a gun, they will find another... ban that, they will find another. Ban all guns, they will use a knife. Ban all knives they will use rope. Ban rope, they will use their hands.

Good luck killing 60 with your bare hands.

[Smitty-48]

Good luck killing 60 with your bare hands.

Killing 60 with fallacious security theater liberal gun control tho; no problemo.

Gun control; M14 with a background check, two day safety course, and five round magazines?

60 people dead with eleven magazine changes instead of two, additional time taken to execute, 27 seconds.