Poking the Bear Again
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Re: Poking the Bear Again
this is where Political Potential ( Pol Pot ) and the Khmer Rouge came from
that was a proxy war between the Chinese & Soviets
Nixon flipped the Chinese, the Chinese stopped supporting the North Vietnamese
the North Vietnamese then flipped back to the Soviets
the Chinese then adopted the Khmer Rouge as their new proxies
the Soviets then backed a North Vietnamese invasion of Chinese backed Cambodia
the Khmer Rouge then did to the North Vietnamese what the North Vietnamese had done to the Americans
beat them at their own game with guerilla warfare, Cambodia became North Vietnam's quagmire
that was a proxy war between the Chinese & Soviets
Nixon flipped the Chinese, the Chinese stopped supporting the North Vietnamese
the North Vietnamese then flipped back to the Soviets
the Chinese then adopted the Khmer Rouge as their new proxies
the Soviets then backed a North Vietnamese invasion of Chinese backed Cambodia
the Khmer Rouge then did to the North Vietnamese what the North Vietnamese had done to the Americans
beat them at their own game with guerilla warfare, Cambodia became North Vietnam's quagmire
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Yes, it was nicknamed the Landlords Bomb back then.
Efficiency and progress is ours once more
Now that we have the neutron bomb
It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done
Away with excess enemy
But no less value to property
No sense in war but perfect sense at home
For legal reasons, we are not threatening to destroy U.S. government property with our glorious medieval siege engine. But if we wanted to, we could. But we won’t. But we could.
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because at the time the Global Warming mob was the Anti-Nuclear MovementMontegriffo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:46 amYes, it was nicknamed the Landlords Bomb back then.Efficiency and progress is ours once more
Now that we have the neutron bomb
It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done
Away with excess enemy
But no less value to property
No sense in war but perfect sense at home
so anything nuclear was bad
thing was tho, if the Soviets were going to deploy INF's in Europe, then MAD wasn't working after all
if MAD wasn't working, then there was going to be a theater thermonuclear war in Europe
so what to do then ?
if it's going to happen, how do you prevent Europe from becoming an irradiated wasteland ?
well you're going to have to get rid of radioactive fallout
so then the scientists said, actually, that's not as hard as you think
all the fallout comes from burning the uranium-235 liner around the plutonium pit
if you take that liner out, the bomb is smaller, but there is no radioactive fallout
with no radioactive fallout, it wasn't the doomsday war anymore, you could actually rebuild after
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now, the design of the W76-2 is of course highly classified
but what they have done is taken a 100 kiloton bomb and downgraded it to 2-5 kilotons
when you understand how hydrogen bombs work, that it is a multistage bomb
you can extrapolate that they would downgrade that by removing stages
like the tritium booster, or reducing the mass of the uranium liner
thus, conceptually, they are moving towards the Neutron bomb inherently, they are heading in that direction
but what they have done is taken a 100 kiloton bomb and downgraded it to 2-5 kilotons
when you understand how hydrogen bombs work, that it is a multistage bomb
you can extrapolate that they would downgrade that by removing stages
like the tritium booster, or reducing the mass of the uranium liner
thus, conceptually, they are moving towards the Neutron bomb inherently, they are heading in that direction
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take for example the B61 tactical free falling thermonuclear bomb, perhaps carried by F-35's
Fully Fused Option ( FUFO ) otherwise known as Dial-a-Yield
the bomb can be set by a dial, from as low a yield as 1 kiloton, all the way up to maximum 340 kilotons
how does that work ?
the stages of the bomb are moveable internal to the bomb,
the dial moves the components around inside the bomb, changing the yield by adding or subtracting them
when you dial it down, it removes stages mechanically, slides them away from the plutonium pit
when you dial it up, it adds stages, slides them back towards the plutonium pit
when you dial it all the way down, just the plutonium pit fuses
when you dial it all the way up, the plutonium pit fuses the other stages
plutonium pit + lithium deuteride capsule
or plutonium pit + lithium deuteride capsule + tritium booster
so it's not digital, it's analogue 1960's tech, the FUFO is mechanical stage manipulation
so B61 is an all purpose tactical nuclear weapon
you can set it to be just an atomic bomb, or you can set it to be a hydrogen bomb, simply by turning the dial
nuclear bombs come in different flavors, based on how many stages you add
there is pure fission "Little Boy" bomb, the uranium-235 shotgun
there is the plutonium fusion to uranium fission "Fat Man" bomb
there is the plutonium fusion to uranium fission to hydrogen fusion "Castle Bravo" H-bomb
then there is the plutonium fusion to hydrogen fusion only, no fission ERW "Neutron Bomb"
Fully Fused Option ( FUFO ) otherwise known as Dial-a-Yield
the bomb can be set by a dial, from as low a yield as 1 kiloton, all the way up to maximum 340 kilotons
how does that work ?
the stages of the bomb are moveable internal to the bomb,
the dial moves the components around inside the bomb, changing the yield by adding or subtracting them
when you dial it down, it removes stages mechanically, slides them away from the plutonium pit
when you dial it up, it adds stages, slides them back towards the plutonium pit
when you dial it all the way down, just the plutonium pit fuses
when you dial it all the way up, the plutonium pit fuses the other stages
plutonium pit + lithium deuteride capsule
or plutonium pit + lithium deuteride capsule + tritium booster
so it's not digital, it's analogue 1960's tech, the FUFO is mechanical stage manipulation
so B61 is an all purpose tactical nuclear weapon
you can set it to be just an atomic bomb, or you can set it to be a hydrogen bomb, simply by turning the dial
nuclear bombs come in different flavors, based on how many stages you add
there is pure fission "Little Boy" bomb, the uranium-235 shotgun
there is the plutonium fusion to uranium fission "Fat Man" bomb
there is the plutonium fusion to uranium fission to hydrogen fusion "Castle Bravo" H-bomb
then there is the plutonium fusion to hydrogen fusion only, no fission ERW "Neutron Bomb"
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this is why the NATO allies want F-35
because they can deliver the American B61 from the NATO stockpiles
Dan Carlin said that America should give Eastern European countries their own nukes, remember that ?
that is already the case
if Poland buys F-35 that gives them a de facto Stealth Bomber against the Russians
and they are so close, they can use it in either role
they could use it in the tactical role, dial it all the way down, drop it on Russian tanks
or they could use it in the strategic role, dial it all the way up to 340 kts and drop it on Petrograd
F-35 + B61 gives the NATO allies an asymmetrical answer to Putin threatening them, they have a trump card
because they can deliver the American B61 from the NATO stockpiles
Dan Carlin said that America should give Eastern European countries their own nukes, remember that ?
that is already the case
if Poland buys F-35 that gives them a de facto Stealth Bomber against the Russians
and they are so close, they can use it in either role
they could use it in the tactical role, dial it all the way down, drop it on Russian tanks
or they could use it in the strategic role, dial it all the way up to 340 kts and drop it on Petrograd
F-35 + B61 gives the NATO allies an asymmetrical answer to Putin threatening them, they have a trump card
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this is what I was trying to explain to Carlin in Poking the Bear
what he wanted was already the case
what he was asking for had been the case long time ago
but what he was asking for was a theater thermonuclear war in Europe
handing nukes to the Eastern Europeans is an inherent admission that MAD doesn't work
handing nukes over to the theater level is an inherent counterforce option
all I was saying to Carlin was, careful what you wish for,
because we are already there and it is escalating from here
handing the nukes over to theater level is what caused the Cuban Missile Crisis
America put INFs in Turkey, the Soviets responded by putting INF's in Cuba
what he wanted was already the case
what he was asking for had been the case long time ago
but what he was asking for was a theater thermonuclear war in Europe
handing nukes to the Eastern Europeans is an inherent admission that MAD doesn't work
handing nukes over to the theater level is an inherent counterforce option
all I was saying to Carlin was, careful what you wish for,
because we are already there and it is escalating from here
handing the nukes over to theater level is what caused the Cuban Missile Crisis
America put INFs in Turkey, the Soviets responded by putting INF's in Cuba
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three Russian ballistic missile submarines broke through the polar ice cap yesterday
two Delta IV Delphins and a Borei
three at once, that's the first time we've ever seen Ivan do that
two Delta IV Delphins and a Borei
three at once, that's the first time we've ever seen Ivan do that
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The point being to remind the public of MAD? That’s an odd message, unless we’re supposed to start treating them like the Norks.
Or is this genuine teeth bared over Ukraine?
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it's definitely saber rattling strategic warningSuburbanFarmer wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:18 amThe point being to remind the public of MAD? That’s an odd message, unless we’re supposed to start treating them like the Norks.
Or is this genuine teeth bared over Ukraine?
the message is that their nuclear submarines are fully tuned up & ready for war
it's genuine teeth far beyond the means of the NK's, this is the big leagues
three SSBN's with a combined 48 SLBM's, upwards of 400 warheads
it's enough warheads to take out the Minuteman III's on the Great Plains in a counterforce
bear in mind they will approach by stealth through Canadian waters to point blank range under the ice
it's blatantly targeted at the CONUS, it's not a survivable second strike profile, it is a first strike profile
that many warheads in snap shoot position under the ice really only serves one purpose, strategic counterforce
in terms of MAD, that's not really what those warheads are for, 200 kilotons is not a City Killer
so those are not aimed at New York City, those warheads are targeted at US military bases
I would say that the intent is to send the Democrats a message about Ukraine, yes
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