Bjorn is a Stalinist?

[Martin Hash]

Liberty is NOT “for the better good.” It’s about individuals, not the group. Maybe, if the equation is most liberty to most people, a case could be made.

[BjornP]

By not spending the taxes on investing it back into society, you miss out improving the productivity of the citizenry. A better educated, more healthy citizenry, is a more productive one. And that's just consumption. A more educated one - in other matters than just that which benefits consumption, is also a citizenry that can be become more involved and engaged in politics. Meaning government becomes less able to cheat, lie and manipulate the people, since the people know their rights, are more likely to be better informed about decisions their government claims are in their best interests.

Waste not, want not.

I remember when I believed that bullshit.

You are extremely naive assuming that govt wants their society to be educated. The correct and only word is indoctrinated. Have you ever met a teacher in public school that questioned public school? I haven't.

Gov't becomes less able to cheat? pull my other leg. Your gov't cheats your poorest citizens out of over one third of their money, and you probably out of 2/3 of it and you are copacetic. You live in such a bubble.

And this creates a feedback loop. We need to steal all the citizens money because we have to support these programs. The programs support the govt, which steals and then uses them to steal more.

The free market can more efficiently provide any of the services that your parasite govt taxes you for.

Its truly evil man. One day maybe you will wake the fuck up.

Evil.

Then burn your government and make a new one. It isn't the government's wishes that matter, it's society's. If your government doesn't properly represent the interests of the people, capture them, torture them and execute them in a horrific and public manner that the next government learns from it. You have a representative government. If you keep electing it to do nothing, and just let government do "its" thing while you do yours, it will naturally come to see government as "its" thing.

If the education system's standards are piss poor, improve them. Your idea that "Because this government doesn't work, no government can ever work" is you taking that whole "living in the present" way too literally. The present is not eternity.

[heydaralon]

Liberty is NOT “for the better good.”

In Europe, Liberty means "whatever the gov't supports economically and socially." Euros are so weak and stupid that they try to change word definitions and use Orwellian definitions for obvious shit.

It's sad. Monte actually supports locking people up for criticizing Transgender people. He enthusiastically supports that. It never occurs to him that people who disagree with his Maoist ideas are exercising their liberty of free speech. Bjorn is a half step behind Monte tbh

Martin, you can't be so hard on them though. They haven't experienced Freedom in any kind in their living memory. Remember, that Europe was ruled by Kings, then the Nazis took most of it. After that, Stalin did. Franco and Salazaar didn't lose power till the 70's. The Berlin Wall and the Cold War ended in the early 90's. Bjorn doesn't have a history of freedom much like his continental buddies so he doesn't understand it well. The disgusting socialist states that popped up all over Europe were not founded on Liberty principles, and they still are unfree. Euro's are by and large morons with bad ideas, who knew?

When it's that cold and the only past time you have is eating candy (Danes have a high rate of obesity/bad teeth and are almost always dirtbags) what else can you do but be a busybody and shit on people who have liberty and capitalistic wealth?

[BjornP]

Entitlement is being a human tapeworm. It means being supported by the theft of others' labor, and thinking that you deserve or are entitled to their resources, when you didn't do shit to earn it and demanding the govt steal from others to support your lowlife-ass-ery.



Entitlement is Europe in a nutshell. Good thing Europe is irrelevant now and doesn't control shit. It is crumbling and not fast enough.

No such sentiment prevails among the majority here. People pay their taxes toward the welfare system because they know they might find themselves in need of help some day. It is not "theft" if it's what people want to give to each other, which they do. It isn't simply the "lowlifes", parasites, etc. that benefit from the welfare state. Everyone does. Middle class, higher middle class, wealthy, as well as the poor, whether they be poor because they're on disability or partial disability, or they're junkies. They're fellow Danes. If they fall, they must raise themselves up, but who loses anything by making it easier for the fallen to rise again? The taxpayers don't feel they lose anything.

Your narrative is an utter fantasy.

[heydaralon]

Entitlement is being a human tapeworm. It means being supported by the theft of others' labor, and thinking that you deserve or are entitled to their resources, when you didn't do shit to earn it and demanding the govt steal from others to support your lowlife-ass-ery.



Entitlement is Europe in a nutshell. Good thing Europe is irrelevant now and doesn't control shit. It is crumbling and not fast enough.

No such sentiment prevails among the majority here.

Were that the case, then you would not lose 60% of your paycheck

Danes work on average rounded waaaaaaay up 28 hours per week. They are highly in debt (even if you want to say that the debt is from housing or whatever).

I forget who, but one of the dudes who helped found your Stalinist govt said he might even have to raise taxes more.

You expect the govt indeed demand that it fix problems relating to human nature that are not fixable/

Wouldn't it be easier just to work a few more hours and stop stealing from your fellow man?

I know work sucks. I have a job and I make less than you btw. But the alternative is living in an amusement park gulag with enough distractions to make you think you are free when you're not, is far worse. The party can't and won't last forever. You didn't stand up to your gov't now, and they know it. Your way of life will come to an end, probably within your lifetime. I hope that you escape the Stalinist hell you have made for yourself before then.