They wonder why we dont trust them. Media bias thread.

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Re: They wonder why we dont trust them. Media bias thread.

Post by DBTrek » Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:33 am

The results don’t need to be rigged. When 91% of the media coverage of Trump is negative, it’s no shock that Google returns search results that are overwhelmingly negative and from left leaning sources.

Think about it, people.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.washin ... new-study/
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Re: They wonder why we dont trust them. Media bias thread.

Post by pineapplemike » Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:39 am

CNN, Credibly Accused of Lying to its Audience About a Key Claim in its Blockbuster Cohen Story, Refuses to Comment
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https://theintercept.com/2018/08/28/cnn ... o-comment/

CNN’s blockbuster July 26 story – that Michael Cohen intended to tell Special Counsel Robert Mueller that he was present when Donald Trump was told in advance about his son’s Trump Tower meeting with various Russians – includes a key statement about its sourcing that credible reporting now suggests was designed to have misled its audience. Yet CNN simply refuses to address the serious ethical and journalistic questions raised about its conduct.

The substance of the CNN story itself regarding Cohen – which made headline news all over all the world and which CNN hyped as a “bombshell” – has now been retracted by other news outlets that originally purported to “confirm” CNN’s story. That’s because the anonymous source for this confirmation, Cohen lawyer Lanny Davis, now admits that, in essence, his “confirmation” was false. As a result, both the Washington Post and the NY Post outed Davis as their anonymous source and then effectively retracted their stories “confirming” parts of CNN’s report.
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But there’s an entirely separate, and more significant, question about CNN’s behavior here; namely, the very specific claim they made about their sourcing for that blockbuster story. Last night, BuzzFeed reported that Davis explicitly confessed that he was one of the anonymous sources for CNN’s July 26 story, just as he was for the stories from the Washington Post and the New York Post. Last week, CNN put Davis on the air with Anderson Cooper to deny that he was the source for that CNN story – a denial Cooper did not contest – but Davis now admits he was one of CNN’s sources, if not their main source.

Yet remarkably, CNN, in its July 26 story, specificaly claimed that Davis refused to talk to CNN about the story or provide any comment whatsoever:

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If CNN lied about Davis having refused comment (when, in fact, he was one of their anonymous sources), then this is obviously a major journalism scandal. If, by contrast, Davis – who has been treated by the U.S. media as a reliable source despite decades of lying (and who leveraged that treatment to raise more than $150,000 in a GoFundMe “Truth Fund” campaign for Cohen to pay Davis) – is lying about having spoken to CNN about the July 26 report, that is also a major story.
well, now i know that an "anonymous source" may also be mentioned in the story as "declining to comment"

good to know

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Post by C-Mag » Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:06 am

We find all this shit appalling. The minority of the radical Left does not.
We cannot expect them to be fair in any way. While most of us expect and want even handed coverage in the media, open access to the internet and honest engagement in politics.......... they don't see it that way at all.

Our values are completely different.
They are at war with us on the core liberties of the 1st Amendment.
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Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:15 am

So CNN is getting banned from social media, right? Right??

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Post by C-Mag » Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:27 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:15 am
So CNN is getting banned from social media, right? Right??
Nope!
In fact they will expand their reach on Social Media. These are Totalitarians. We Cannot view them with our values anymore than we can understand how Stalin sent people to Gulags or removed people from photo's. It doesn't make sense to us, we will never understand it.......................... but we have to fight back against it.
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Re: They wonder why we dont trust them. Media bias thread.

Post by Martin Hash » Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:56 am

Scott Adams pointed out that even if 92% of all news about Trump is negative, Fox News is such an overwhelming concentration of hits that it should be over-represented, so I tried Google Newsing “Trump News” like they said, and the ONLY Fox story in all the pages I looked at was a negative one. I suspect Google’s selection algorithm for Trump is an anti-Trump PERSON.
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Post by pineapplemike » Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:07 pm

fair point
Here are the sites that appeared most frequently in the top 100 results.
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https://pjmedia.com/trending/google-sea ... tive-bias/
I think there is more of a pro-establishment bias that filters out less trustworthy results and promotes "verified" results, which, as has been mentioned, lean heavily towards anti-Trump sources. Mark Dice did a video recently where his exact search query on youtube for the title in his own video was pages behind CNN/ABC/WaPo/etc results
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Re: They wonder why we dont trust them. Media bias thread.

Post by TheReal_ND » Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:15 pm

We went through this with Hillary news in 2016

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Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:30 pm

pineapplemike wrote:
Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:07 pm
fair point
Here are the sites that appeared most frequently in the top 100 results.
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https://pjmedia.com/trending/google-sea ... tive-bias/
I think there is more of a pro-establishment bias that filters out less trustworthy results and promotes "verified" results, which, as has been mentioned, lean heavily towards anti-Trump sources. Mark Dice did a video recently where his exact search query on youtube for the title in his own video was pages behind CNN/ABC/WaPo/etc results
Even when you search for specific article and video names, the correct result shows up WAY down the list. Google has the most advanced information retrieval algorithms in the world. It's not an accident. To have precision and recall that bad by accident is not possible for really anybody. In graduate school, I took a course in information retrieval and built my own search engine from scratch. There is no fucking way even my primitive information retrieval system would have resulted in such poor performance.

This is what you get when searching for a video of Ann Coulter using it's EXACT title name:

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Post by Martin Hash » Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:31 pm

Is Fox News not a "verified" source?
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