A libertarian is as close to a liberal as they are a conservative numb nuts.Speaker to Animals wrote:A libertarian, being a liberal in all things, is essentially the apex liberal.
Progressives are liberals on morality.
Neocons are liberals on economy.
Put those two degeneracies together and you get the libertarian.
Stop apologizing for not being a liberal
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There is a time for good men to do bad things.
For fuck sake, 1984 is NOT an instruction manual!
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For fuck sake, 1984 is NOT an instruction manual!
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Left possition:
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Re: Stop apologizing for not being a liberal
SilverEagle wrote:A libertarian is as close to a liberal as they are a conservative numb nuts.Speaker to Animals wrote:A libertarian, being a liberal in all things, is essentially the apex liberal.
Progressives are liberals on morality.
Neocons are liberals on economy.
Put those two degeneracies together and you get the libertarian.
Yeah, that's a ton of bullshit. Libertarians have to know this. Libertarians want to liberalize literally everything. They are the ultimate liberals.
And that dumbass political "spectrum" is the biggest con in the history of politics as well.
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I see pretty distinct differences between liberals and libertarians, but what's the point of arguing with people when anyone can make their own home-brewed definitions and refuse to budge? Even actual libertarians have a core identity crisis what with the big 'L' and little 'l' split. A lot of them are just disorganized, selfish, boneheads while others are Republicans that want to smoke weed and frequent hookers.The serious libertarians, who actually put thought into their positions, are pretty hard to come by.
Anyway, since this is a thread on liberals I thought I'd post a WaPo headling that cracked me up today. Sometimes unintentional irony just tickles me. Here it is:
Anyway, since this is a thread on liberals I thought I'd post a WaPo headling that cracked me up today. Sometimes unintentional irony just tickles me. Here it is:
- Democrats didn’t win in Arizona, but here’s why they’re celebrating anyway
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DBTrek wrote:I see pretty distinct differences between liberals and libertarians, but what's the point of arguing with people when anyone can make their own home-brewed definitions and refuse to budge? Even actual libertarians have a core identity crisis what with the big 'L' and little 'l' split. A lot of them are just disorganized, selfish, boneheads while others are Republicans that want to smoke weed and frequent hookers.The serious libertarians, who actually put thought into their positions, are pretty hard to come by.
Anyway, since this is a thread on liberals I thought I'd post a WaPo headling that cracked me up today. Sometimes unintentional irony just tickles me. Here it is:
I thought a good alternate headline might be "The Party of 'Everybody Gets a Trophy' Celebrates Losing in Arizona".
- Democrats didn’t win in Arizona, but here’s why they’re celebrating anyway
I saw that too this AM, it's so obvious it actually makes your laugh now and then.
I looked at the story and I thought it was going to say, MCCAIN just about dead and were pulling shenanigans to take his seat through administrative means.
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It's the bogus way people frame it that makes these differences seem like something substantive when really they are hardly the most important issues. Libertarians obsess over capitalism, markets, and economics. So do progressives. They have different economic opinions, but economics is hardly a substantive issue compared to the moral and demographic destiny of a nation. They all agree on the shit that matters most, and they agree to the destruction of everything that made the West what it is.
England, for instance, has been through arguably three (if not more) economic systems. Throughout all that time, the character of England was not drastically altered. Even after replacing the Aristocracy with Normans, the basic make-up of Britons never changed. The moral foundation never changed.
Now England is starving a baby to death rather than let the parents take him to a different hospital because they are afraid the other hospital will make their pozzed NHS system look bad. They have entire cities that are majority foreigner now.
As important as these economic canards may be to you (and I would suggest you step back and look at it objectively to see how stupid it is to obsess over those issues as if they are the defining political characteristic of a man), they don't really matter in the long run. The long run is about who Americans will be in the future and what they stand for. There was a line of continuity from one generation to the next, carrying the torch as it were, until about the 1960s.
Shit is drastically out of kilter right now precisely because of liberalism -- and libertarians are HUGE liberals!
England, for instance, has been through arguably three (if not more) economic systems. Throughout all that time, the character of England was not drastically altered. Even after replacing the Aristocracy with Normans, the basic make-up of Britons never changed. The moral foundation never changed.
Now England is starving a baby to death rather than let the parents take him to a different hospital because they are afraid the other hospital will make their pozzed NHS system look bad. They have entire cities that are majority foreigner now.
As important as these economic canards may be to you (and I would suggest you step back and look at it objectively to see how stupid it is to obsess over those issues as if they are the defining political characteristic of a man), they don't really matter in the long run. The long run is about who Americans will be in the future and what they stand for. There was a line of continuity from one generation to the next, carrying the torch as it were, until about the 1960s.
Shit is drastically out of kilter right now precisely because of liberalism -- and libertarians are HUGE liberals!
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https://youtu.be/bWC4SIyLWxI?t=1m37sDBTrek wrote:I see pretty distinct differences between liberals and libertarians, but what's the point of arguing with people when anyone can make their own home-brewed definitions and refuse to budge? Even actual libertarians have a core identity crisis what with the big 'L' and little 'l' split. A lot of them are just disorganized, selfish, boneheads while others are Republicans that want to smoke weed and frequent hookers.The serious libertarians, who actually put thought into their positions, are pretty hard to come by.
Anyway, since this is a thread on liberals I thought I'd post a WaPo headling that cracked me up today. Sometimes unintentional irony just tickles me. Here it is:
I thought a good alternate headline might be "The Party of 'Everybody Gets a Trophy' Celebrates Losing in Arizona".
- Democrats didn’t win in Arizona, but here’s why they’re celebrating anyway
Oh, there's no winning.
We don't like to foster a competitive atmosphere, but we laugh a lot.
Now everyone hug and share a secret!
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See what I mean about home-brew definitions?
Precisely why it’s a waste of time.
Precisely why it’s a waste of time.
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I would suggest you consider the possibility you are behaving exactly like a feminist.
Me: "Feminism is about sexism against men and opposes even the rights of men to speak about men's issues publicly"
Feminist: "No it's not! Feminism is about gender equality!!"
Me: "Libertarianism is a form of liberalism which seeks to liberalize more moral restraints than any other political ideology out there, which has resulted in massive levels of social and personal moral decay at great cost to our nation thus far."
Libertarians: "No it's not! Libertarianism is about freedom!"
Me: "Feminism is about sexism against men and opposes even the rights of men to speak about men's issues publicly"
Feminist: "No it's not! Feminism is about gender equality!!"
Me: "Libertarianism is a form of liberalism which seeks to liberalize more moral restraints than any other political ideology out there, which has resulted in massive levels of social and personal moral decay at great cost to our nation thus far."
Libertarians: "No it's not! Libertarianism is about freedom!"
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I would suggest you're exceptionally dumb.
Easily the dumbest shit written today, but it's still early.
/shrug
I won't even get into the fact that all political ideologies have economic views that differ, nor the enormous canard of everything you don't like being the destruction of the West. Way too much to unpack - and I think it's pretty obvious to everyone else, making the effort unnecessary.
Aka "Libertarians are liberals because they both have economic views, even though those views are radically different"Speaker to Animals wrote:It's the bogus way people frame it that makes these differences seem like something substantive when really they are hardly the most important issues. Libertarians obsess over capitalism, markets, and economics. So do progressives. They have different economic opinions, but economics is hardly a substantive issue compared to the moral and demographic destiny of a nation. They all agree on the shit that matters most, and they agree to the destruction of everything that made the West what it is.
Easily the dumbest shit written today, but it's still early.
/shrug
I won't even get into the fact that all political ideologies have economic views that differ, nor the enormous canard of everything you don't like being the destruction of the West. Way too much to unpack - and I think it's pretty obvious to everyone else, making the effort unnecessary.
"Hey varmints, don't mess with a guy that's riding a buffalo"