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[Speaker to Animals]

What happens when your one engine flames out while you are flying over the middle of the Pacific Ocean?

[Speaker to Animals]

Myth. The number of crashes of F-16's is related to the number of F-16's in the world compared to any other jet, it's the most numerous jet in service by far, 4500 air frames, but the lifetime attrition rate for F-16 is between 0.18% and 0.5% which is excellent and no worse than any twin engine jet.

Lawn Dart is a myth.

Bullshit it's a myth. It's literally the very worst crash record in our inventory.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/21427173/ns/u ... mjUC_ZG1FQ


A single-engine military aircraft is basically a recipe for failure.

[Smitty-48]

Myth. Statistically, by number of air frames in service, the F/A-18 crashes more often than the F-16 does. The second engine is for thrust, doesn't actually improve the attrition rate.

NBC news is the low information media, they peddle these sorts of nonsense myths habitually.

Lawn Dart is a myth, apples to apples the F-16 has an excellent attrition rate, considering number of air frames and hours flown.

[Speaker to Animals]

I gave you a link to the stats!

It's literally the worst crash record in our current inventory!

[Smitty-48]

The only stat that matters for attrition rate, is the attrition rate, the lifetime per capita attrition rate of the F-16, is between 0.18% and 0.5%, which is world class excellent, by the stats, the jet is inherently reliable and survivable.

Lawn Dart is a myth based on a causation correlation fallacy.

[Speaker to Animals]

Bullshit.

The F-16 has an annual crash rate ranging between 3.0 and 3.8.

It's by far the most crash-likely airframe in the US inventory right now.

Sure, a good portion of those crashes are due to pilot error, but a HUGE portion of the total F-16 crashes were due to engine failure.

When an engine fails on a single-engine aircraft, guess what happens??

[DBTrek]

He fixes the cable?

[Smitty-48]

Bullshit.

The F-16 has an annual crash rate ranging between 3.0 and 3.8.

It's by far the most crash-likely airframe in the US inventory right now.

Sure, a good portion of those crashes are due to pilot error, but a HUGE portion of the total F-16 crashes were due to engine failure.

When an engine fails on a single-engine aircraft, guess what happens??

Per capita, twin engine jets do not have a better attrition rate, you can go into to your routine of ceaselessly repeating of the same fallacy over and over, but that does not change the attrition rate of the F-16 vs twin engine US fighters, the F-18 crashes more than the F-16 does, when number of air frames and hours flown in factored in.

[Speaker to Animals]

When an F-15 engine fails, the pilot tried to shut it down and restart it. If that doesn't work, he just lands the plane at the nearest runway. We drive out there with a new engine, swap it out, and fly it home. Problem solved.

When an F-16 engine fails, the lawn dart falls out of the sky and crashes into somebody's back yard. Over and over and over again this has happened.

The only time I know of engine failure taking down an F-15 was from the black oil problem in the 1990s with some of the F100 engines. That causes a flame out and the engine just blew apart, with pieces flying into the other engine causing catastrophic failure. I have seen footage of an F-15 surviving collisions and returning home with only one fucking wing too.

F-16 is not in the same ballpark. Single-engine aircraft for military aviation is a really bad idea. It's always been a bad idea. It's why we started switching over as far back as WW2.

Naval aviation in particular.

[Smitty-48]

F-15 does not have a better attrition rate than the F-16 does, statistically, by number of air frames and hours flown, F-15's crash more often than F-16's do.

The number one cause of attrition is pilot error, the number two cause is flight control systems failure, the number of crashes due to single engine vs twin engine is negligible, and with 4500 airframes, the F-16 has one of the best attrition rates in the world.