Age restrictions for Congress?

[clubgop]

Less institutional knowledge means less servicing of interests. Hiring that individual, sure. Hiring that person's child, spouse? Less likely. Good politicians are like all public servants, take it from Harvey Dent.

You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

Except less time in office will not turn them into heroes. In order to be successful it is almost a prerequisite that you are a villain and rotating villains isn't going solve anything, except make sure the heroes don't stick around as long when they do happen to come along. Preventing the accumulation of expertise does not result in less corruption, it just gives the lobbyists people who are easier to manipulate when the revolving door hits the less corrupt ones on the way out.

The problem is not term limits, it's that Americans keep voting for the same kind of politicians, and term limits will not cause them to step their voting game up, it will just mean they will switch villains at the end of the term limit. More turnover will not fix the issues you think it will, it might even exacerbate those issues, so be careful what you wish for.

Corruption takes time and experience, get a bunch of young dumb full of cum ideologues and that'll have its own set of problems, but cashing out won't be one.

[StCapps]

Corruption takes time and experience, get a bunch of young dumb full of cum ideologues and that'll have its own set of problems, but cashing out won't be one.

Yeah because they can't cash out if they do their campaign contributers a bunch of favors.


Just because they won't have as much time in office to pay off their campaign contributors, that doesn't mean they won't be getting paid off, nor does it mean that contributors won't reward legislators accordingly, don't be silly. Corruption doesn't require time and experience, corruption can infest young dumb full of cum ideologues quite easily as well.

Term limits will lead to a revolving door of villains. That's what you'll get, and wishful thinking won't change that, all you did was speed up the game of musical chairs.

[Speaker to Animals]

Less institutional knowledge means less servicing of interests. Hiring that individual, sure. Hiring that person's child, spouse? Less likely. Good politicians are like all public servants, take it from Harvey Dent.

Except less time in office will not turn them into heroes. In order to be successful it is almost a prerequisite that you are a villain and rotating villains isn't going solve anything, except make sure the heroes don't stick around as long when they do happen to come along. Preventing the accumulation of expertise does not result in less corruption, it just gives the lobbyists people who are easier to manipulate when the revolving door hits the less corrupt ones on the way out.

The problem is not term limits, it's that Americans keep voting for the same kind of politicians, and term limits will not cause them to step their voting game up, it will just mean they will switch villains at the end of the term limit. More turnover will not fix the issues you think it will, it might even exacerbate those issues, so be careful what you wish for.

Corruption takes time and experience, get a bunch of young dumb full of cum ideologues and that'll have its own set of problems, but cashing out won't be one.

Why can't special interests do all the heavy lifting for them?

Navigating the media, advertising and marketing, and social media also takes a lot time and experience. That is why politicians hire publicists and marketers.

Really, I think term limits would shift power to unelected "advisors" to legislators. These guys would provide the perpetually freshmen legislators with the experience to navigate the system, manage campaigns, and cash in on the corruption.

[clubgop]

Really, I think term limits would shift power to unelected "advisors" to legislators. These guys would provide the perpetually freshmen legislators with the experience to navigate the system, manage campaigns, and cash in on the corruption.

We're already there my dudes. If the congressman can't get in on the action the same as these people, they cut it down out of pure spite.

[StCapps]

Really, I think term limits would shift power to unelected "advisors" to legislators. These guys would provide the perpetually freshmen legislators with the experience to navigate the system, manage campaigns, and cash in on the corruption.

We're already there my dudes. If the congressman can't get in on the action the same as these people, they cut it down out of pure spite.

So what is the benefit of term limits then? If they lobbyists already have the work around in place before you even switch to term limits, like you acknowledge, what problem does term limits solve?

Seems like change, just for the sake of change to me, not well thought through at all.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Really, I think term limits would shift power to unelected "advisors" to legislators. These guys would provide the perpetually freshmen legislators with the experience to navigate the system, manage campaigns, and cash in on the corruption.

We're already there my dudes. If the congressman can't get in on the action the same as these people, they cut it down out of pure spite.

So what is the benefit of term limits then? If they lobbyists already have the work around in place before you even switch to term limits, like you acknowledge, what problem does term limits solve?

Seems like change, just for the sake of change to me, not well thought through at all.

It takes them years to form the alliances and compromised ethics necessary for coordinated fuckery. This would make it much less likely, but not prevent it, as you point out.

[StCapps]

It takes them years to form the alliances and compromised ethics necessary for coordinated fuckery. This would make it much less likely, but not prevent it, as you point out.

It won't take years, it might slow down the lobbyists a little while they adapt to the new situation, but considering the negatives of implementing term limits, I don't see how the positives outweigh the negatives. The new congressmen will quickly get bought off and be replaced by those who are just as easily bought off, little will change.

It's not like voters are going to start voting for better representatives if you implement term limits, they'll just vote for a new chump, who is the same as the old chump, like they do when a long term incumbent steps down anyway. The only folks who really benefit from term limits are neophyte legislators, and more of them in the system won't necessarily make it better, it likely could make things even worse with little gain whatsoever.

[Ex-California]

Term limits will prevent keeping good legislators for longer than the term limit, I don't see the upside.

All you are doing is stopping Americans from voting for incumbents you don't like, so that they turn around and elect non-incumbents that you don't like, how does that solve anything? This will merely increase the turnover of politicians doing favors for their campaign contributors so they can get a kushy job once their term limit is over.

Change just for the sake of change, it might make you feel like you've done something important, but all you are doing is fooling yourself.

How often do we have a good legislator? 1 out of 100? 1 out of 500?

So throw em out and replace em' with someone worse, that'll make congress better.

You literally cannot get worse than what we have right now.

Illiterate hillbillies would do better

[StCapps]

How often do we have a good legislator? 1 out of 100? 1 out of 500?

So throw em out and replace em' with someone worse, that'll make congress better.

You literally cannot get worse than what we have right now.

Illiterate hillbillies would do better

No they wouldn't do better, you can easily get worse, change for the sake of change will solve nothing. It can get worse, getting rid of all the good legislators after their term limit is up will lead to a higher percentage of bad legislators because the replacements are going to be worse, while the bad legislators won't be getting replaced with better one's, if you think it's bad now, just wait until you enforce term limits on congress.

[Ex-California]

Have you been paying attention to what's going on down here in the last couple decades?