Self-Defense: The Bubbas Can Beat Uncle Sam

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Paid with what? We won't be the reserve currency under those conditions. Your money will be worthless. They get paid by sitting back and picking the carcass, also if we are fighting ourselves the rest of the world has some scores to settle. Japan is fucked, S. Korea probably fucked, Taiwan is fucked, the House of Saud if not the entire kingdom is fucked. From great power to great power is never a smooth transition and there is no way all these powers will be clamouring to join one and one side only in a proxy fight.

Shares in global companies. Resources. Whatever man. Unlike ya'll, blue wealth isn't just USD or shiny rocks. We actually have industry, control ports, control shipping lanes, control stock exchanges. You know, all the fucking reasons the states agreed to federalism in the first place. Controlling just AG land didn't give you much power in the 18th century, and it gives you a helluva lot less power now.

Your forebears knew it, but you red fellas have gotten so used to benefiting from the wealth brought about by large cities and globalism that you have forgotten why you needed them in the first place.

What resources? The reds hold all that. Ports and shipping lanes, with what Navy? Someone elses? Then guess what, they aint yours.

The resources we take take from you with our superior forces and robots. What Navy are you gonna have without controlling major rivers or ports. The rest of the world will lend/lease us a new shiny Navy, and we will pay them back with what we take from your dead bodies.

Like it has been pointed out many times round here: it is the bankers, pencil pushers, and bureaucrats that win wars. People who like neat columns and rows, and who know how to get things where they need to be without losing them.

[Smitty-48]

I don't think the Blue would win, they wouldn't achieve decisive victory, they would rain misery down on the Red for years, killing and maiming and torturing and whatnot, but that would just harden the Red resolve, and it would just end up being a stalemate, eventually there would be a peace agreement and the lines would pretty much end up where they started.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

I reckon you are right Smitty.

And then, once again, we would have to rebuild all their shit for them, and send them aid, and get nothing but fucking griping about the 'lost cause,' or whatever, for our trouble.

[Smitty-48]

Nah, this time it would be for keeps, it would be a Cold Peace, but once the war was over the rest of world would start to do business with the Red again, and they'd get back on their feet, it would just be two countries, it would be like England and Ireland, relations would normalize, but they wouldn't be friendly.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Sounds like a massive pain in the ass, only for everyone to wind up, at least a little if not a lot, worse than they are now.

Maybe we should just call off the whole libshit/conservatard civil war.

[Smitty-48]

Sounds like a massive pain in the ass, only for everyone to wind up, at least a little if not a lot, worse than they are now.

Depends how much bad blood there is, pretty sure the Irish consider themselves to be better off without the British, come what may.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Well, the Irish have an unrealistic opinion of themselves and their station. No sense at all trying to use what the Irish think to draw reasonable conclusions about the world.

Nasty bunch, the whole lot of 'em, except Yeats. I like Yeats... one of the good ones.

[Martin Hash]

One Bubba on the 32nd floor seemed quite effective.

[Smitty-48]

Well, the Irish have an unrealistic opinion of themselves and their station. No sense at all trying to use what the Irish think to draw reasonable conclusions about the world.

Nasty bunch, the whole lot of 'em, except Yeats. I like Yeats... one of the good ones.

Thing is, nobody calculates the butcher's bill accurately before the war, it's always gonna be "over by Christmas" and by the time it isn't, it's too late to go back then, and by the time it gets to Shiloh, nobody wants to go back anymore anyways.

The people who founded the Irish Republic in the Easter Rising, we're not the same people who prosecuted the Irish Civil War.

Once things get nasty, the poets are pushed to the side.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Well, the Irish have an unrealistic opinion of themselves and their station. No sense at all trying to use what the Irish think to draw reasonable conclusions about the world.

Nasty bunch, the whole lot of 'em, except Yeats. I like Yeats... one of the good ones.

Thing is, nobody calculates the butcher's bill accurately before the war, it's always gonna be "over by Christmas" and by the time it isn't, it's too late to go back then, and by the time it gets to Shiloh, nobody wants to go back anymore anyways.

The people who founded the Irish Republic in the Easter Rising, we're not the same people who prosecuted the Irish Civil War.

Once things get nasty, the poets are pushed to the side.

Until things get really nasty, and they call up the poets to soft spin the whole ordeal.