College Park decides Tuesday whether to allow noncitizens to vote

[SuburbanFarmer]

BTW, I agree completely that they shouldn't be voting until they're citizens. So make them citizens, if they want it.

[DBTrek]

Point being that the entire population of Mexico hasn't snuck into the US, because there are only so many jobs for them. If you have even a passing respect for the Free Market, you know that supply is matching demand.

Nobody is coming here just to suck on the welfare system. Its easier to do that at home. These are ambitious, motivated people - exactly what we need more of.

And they're coming from an economy that is so much cheaper than ours, that they can do our menial labor and actually support a family on it.

You worried about lost tax revenues? Go after the businesses not declaring those wages.

First of all, if I were going to engage in an economic debate you'd be the lasst person I'd do it with because your grasp of even basic economics is abysmal (aka - static, finite economic pie).
Secondly, this is a national sovereignty issue, so all your ill-conceived, regurgitated, leftist talking points about 'the free market' are moot. Does not apply when the issue is national sovereignty.

[Alexander PhiAlipson]

I can hardly wait until we have absentee non-citizen voting.
Why do we even need citizens as candidates?

[SuburbanFarmer]

Point being that the entire population of Mexico hasn't snuck into the US, because there are only so many jobs for them. If you have even a passing respect for the Free Market, you know that supply is matching demand.

Nobody is coming here just to suck on the welfare system. Its easier to do that at home. These are ambitious, motivated people - exactly what we need more of.

And they're coming from an economy that is so much cheaper than ours, that they can do our menial labor and actually support a family on it.

You worried about lost tax revenues? Go after the businesses not declaring those wages.

First of all, if I were going to engage in an economic debate you'd be the lasst person I'd do it with because your grasp of even basic economics is abysmal (aka - static, finite economic pie).
Secondly, this is a national sovereignty issue, so all your ill-conceived, regurgitated, leftist talking points about 'the free market' are moot. Does not apply when the issue is national sovereignty.

I didn't say the economic pie is static. It increases with resource extraction. It does not get bigger because you built a house.

Welp, I guess capitalism is one of those things that you just apply where it feels good, right? Don't need it for stuff like labor surplus, amirite?

There are plenty of ways to secure the borders without blowing a massive wad on concrete and razor wire that will result in a major food shortage, or be subverted within a month.

[Speaker to Animals]

Well, fuck it. Why not just sell bootlegged copies of software and music at 50% discount? Isn't that just "supply matching demand"?

[DBTrek]

I can hardly wait until we have absentee non-citizen voting.
Why do we even need citizens as candidates?

Well . . . it would certainly be interesting to "Great Leap Forward" to the globalist end game progressives are constantly clamoring for. Just imagine, EVERYONE is an American, and EVERYONE can vote in every American election no matter where they're located on the globe.

What would that look like?
Open Source Nation v.1.0

I mean, it would be the utter genocide of the American identity, of course, but that doesn't even seem to be a concern for progressives, what with America clearly being THE WORST in all ways.
/shrug

[SuburbanFarmer]

Well, fuck it. Why not just sell bootlegged copies of software and music at 50% discount? Isn't that just "supply matching demand"?

Different discussion. Releasing a work of art into the world, and distributing it on sheer faith that people won't disseminate it themselves, and instead pay you for the privilege is a pretty weak concept.

But, if we presume that software/art/media is somehow secured against theft, then this would be an act of thievery.

[Fife]

I'll post this again, in case anybody wants an interesting read on the subject:

https://mises.org/library/nations-conse ... on-state-0

Here's a TL;DR commentary: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/04/bio ... bertarian/

[Speaker to Animals]

Well, fuck it. Why not just sell bootlegged copies of software and music at 50% discount? Isn't that just "supply matching demand"?

Different discussion. Releasing a work of art into the world, and distributing it on sheer faith that people won't disseminate it themselves, and instead pay you for the privilege is a pretty weak concept.

But, if we presume that software/art/media is somehow secured against theft, then this would be an act of thievery.

Not a different discussion at all.

It's pretty much the exact same thing. If you believe it is morally wrong to bootleg commercial software and sell it at a discount, then you should also believe it is morally wrong to glut the labor market with artificially cheapened illegal labor.

Both are examples of thieves glutting supply with illegally procured goods and services.


Open borders is the opposite of a "free market" in the same way that stealing software and other licensed goods is not "free market".

Open borders is exactly like the government not enforcing patent and copyright laws. Border protections and illegal worker laws serve the exact same purpose to the labor market that patent and copyright laws serve for the software market.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Well, fuck it. Why not just sell bootlegged copies of software and music at 50% discount? Isn't that just "supply matching demand"?

Different discussion. Releasing a work of art into the world, and distributing it on sheer faith that people won't disseminate it themselves, and instead pay you for the privilege is a pretty weak concept.

But, if we presume that software/art/media is somehow secured against theft, then this would be an act of thievery.

Not a different discussion at all.

It's pretty much the exact same thing. If you believe it is morally wrong to bootleg commercial software and sell it at a discount, then you should also believe it is morally wrong to glut the labor market with artificially cheapened illegal labor.

Both are examples of thieves glutting supply with illegally procured goods and services.

There is nothing 'artificially cheapened' about the labor. If anything, the price of labor in this country is exorbitantly high (along with the price of everything else).

If we import a cheap-ass iPhone or plastic toy, people bitch because we didn't "get" to make it here. If we import cheap-ass menial labor (which is of a better quality than American labor anyway), people bitch because we didn't "get" to do it ourselves.

Who in the FUCK is lining up to do back-breaking work for minimum wage?? Who on earth is just DYING to get into a factory and stamp out parts for $3/hr like a Chinese worker? How would they even survive, unless they slept on the factory floor?

As I've been saying all along: Pretend we seal the border, and are going to use 100% American workers to do all of our shit jobs. How much does food cost next year? How much do you think you're paying for doo-dads in the convenience store? How much do your clothes cost?
A fucking ton, that's how much.

But no problem, cause now we've got 10 million more Americans working on minimum wage at shit jobs, that we can tax, right? Not for long. Once they realize they can't feed themselves anymore, they'll be right back on welfare, or worse, chanting and looting in the streets.

This is the real problem with America. We have run ourselves six miles up Shit Creek and tossed the paddles, then repainted our map to look like it's the Danube. Everything looks fine here, and it will be, until it isn't. THIS is the reason that Trump is cutting deals with the DNC - because we have no other option. Those immigrants are our lifeblood now, and there's no easy way out of it.

Remember when we were going to "bring back coal"? That was pre-intelligence-briefing Trump. That was the moron that got elected through no fault of his own, before he understood what a Pakistan was. The "big beautiful wall" was the same thing. It ain't happening, sweetheart, get used to it.