DACA

[Kazmyr]

You can gibs bullets in Somalia.

Well, shit.



Set sail for Somalia, then!

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

It's not about guilt. The children of these illegal migrants only become guilty when they reach the age of majority.

So what you're saying is that because we view this scenario through a pragmatic lens, we just aren't imaginative enough? Hmm, let's think. What is a way we can keep these families here without having to make them citizens, AND prevent money that should be for American citizens going to illegal migrants.

I can think of one way, but there's an amendment against it.

Exactly. They become guilty because of a decision made for them before they were able to exercise their own will.

Pragmatism isn't inherently opposed to creative solutions.

Deterrence -


Do you think we currently over provide for U.S. Citizens on foodstamps, wellfare, etc? Do you think they have enough to spare? Are we giving them too much?

If not, then why are your proposing to provide them with even less? The US can't keep spending at its current rate and expect to be around in another 50 years....so if we have a spending problem, then why are you proposing that we spend even more?

I feel bad for the DACA candidates, but they're not the responsibility of the US government (or the US tax payer)...its the concern of their native country....whether they've lived their or not. The US government can't even meet the needs of its own citizens - we are in no position to take on more of the world's poor - unlike the 1870s - we have massive social programs that cost more than we can afford....

I am not making any specific budget proposals, and am certainly not qualified to do so.

If you are comfortable with inherited guilt, then I'll bet #BLM would like to congratulate you on your wokeness.

[Ph64]

He makes a case for why Mexicans jumping the border are actually refugees. Maybe not actual refugees (and thus being able to avail themselves of asylum - because he didn't touch that), but in essence they are - due to the Mexican government being a cesspool/cartel control.

Here's an article from someone who recently visited the Mexican Narcowastes.

http://www.prescottenews.com/index.php/ ... ico-rising

For readers who have not traveled in Mexico recently or only know the country from the border areas, Mexico today is far from the Mexico of even a few decades ago. What we saw over our five day visit is a rapidly growing industrial powerhouse with modern infrastructure and gleaming new industrial parks. The dysfunctional narco state sensationalized by the media was nowhere in evidence. The Mexico City Metro Area with a population of 22 million is the largest city in the Western Hemisphere and continues to be a magnet for jobs and economic opportunity. The state of Guanajuato, like Arizona, is landlocked. A short two decades ago it was primarily an agricultural and mining region. But by developing new roads and rail links to the Atlantic and Pacific coasts, and cultivating a civic culture friendly to trade, it has created over 50 industrial parks employing tens of thousands of workers and become a manufacturing base for many of the worlds tops companies.

Those poor, brown savages. Come right in sweeties, put your feet anywhere.

26 people killed in northern Mexico gunfight as drug cartel violence continues to rise

Mexico drug cartel violence hits tourist hotspots of Cancun and Los Cabos

Behind Mexico's Most Violent Month

Official figures from the Mexican government show that more than 2,000 people were killed in May, making it the deadliest month on record in Mexico since the government began tracking murders in 1997.

Your point is? Yes, there are areas in Mexico to avoid, just like I wouldn't want to live/visit a lot of areas of Chicago, or LA. The US averages over 1000/mo murders.

[Speaker to Animals]

That's just Mexico being Mexico. You want to make our country like that? How about fuck no.

[The Conservative]

That's just Mexico being Mexico. You want to make our country like that? How about fuck no.

What don't you want good tequila and siestas?

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

7 pages to get from the legality immigration to the Mexiconess of Mexicans.

Good work team.

Next time around, we will get to double digits!

[ssu]

One thing about DACA.

The positive idea (to myself) is that those who have served in the US military and have gotten an honorable discharge from the Military would be given DACA status and a possibility to become citizens.

It's actually not that different from the existing reality as now green card holders, "legal-foreigners", can already serve in the military. (Thing that is a total no-no here. Anybody serving has to be a citizen.)

At least the French do give servicemen of the Foreign Legion citizenship after three years, if the subject applies for citizenship, the subject has a good service record and have proven its willingness to integrate the French Nation. Personally I thought that foreigners couldn't serve in the US, but it appears not to be so, as long as you aren't an officer (non-com or enlisted you can be). Talk about an undercover Foreign Legion.

According to One America, nationally, each year around 8,000 non-citizens enlist in the military.

According to USCIS data from April 2008, more than 5,050 foreign-born service members have become citizens during overseas military naturalization ceremonies while on active duty in countries such as Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo, and Kenya, as well as in the Pacific aboard the USS Kitty Hawk.

Since September 2001, USCIS has naturalized more than 37,250 foreign-born members of the armed forces and granted posthumous citizenship to 111 service members.

According to February 2008 data from the Department of Defense, more than 65,000 immigrants ( non citizens and naturalized citizens) were serving on active duty in the U.S. Armed Forces. This represents approximately 5% of all active-duty personnel.

Nice gesture btw from the government to give citizenship posthumously to those that have fallen.

[Speaker to Animals]

Foreign nationals who serve for at least one year are fast tracked for full citizenship. But you can't enlist if you are here illegally. You have to do it from overseas. DACA is not really applicable here.

[ssu]

Foreign nationals who serve for at least one year are fast tracked for full citizenship. But you can't enlist if you are here illegally. You have to do it from overseas. DACA is not really applicable here.

Overseas? So foreigners can join the armed forces overseas???

Obama's plan:

The Dream Act has a specific provision for military service in that dreamers could either go to college or join the military in order to benefit from the Dream Act.

Of course, I assume the Dream Act hasn't passed.

[Kazmyr]

Your point is? Yes, there are areas in Mexico to avoid, just like I wouldn't want to live/visit a lot of areas of Chicago, or LA. The US averages over 1000/mo murders.

My point was counter to that op-ed that "No more cartel violence in Mexico like everyone said it was! Everything is awesome here!" Yes, Mexico may have improved, but it's trending back to erase the improvements that have been made (spike in murders).

The US may average over 1,000/murders/month, but Mexico has double the murder rate with less than half of the US population. That's not a trivial difference.