Is anyone sick of all the winning?

[SuburbanFarmer]

The same voting blocs divided between more than two political parties, equals little functional difference from those voting blocs being divided between only two parties, that's what you don't seem to get GCF.

Just because you think there are less crazies in Canada doesn't mean less political parties is the cause of that reduced level of crazy, correlation doesn't equal causation. Don't make the mistake of thinking more political parties is the reason that Canadian political discourse isn't as fucked up as it is in America, that actually has little to do with it. Besides the third party actually splits the left up here in Canada, while the right remains united, so in Canada your strategy leads to more success for the Conservatives, not more success for Liberals.

I'd be quite happy with more success for moderate conservatives, or moderate anything. You can't take 3+ extreme positions on much of anything, so I would expect to see the Middle being reached much more often - as it is in Canada.

[StCapps]

I'd be quite happy with more success for moderate conservatives, or moderate anything. You can't take 3+ extreme positions on much of anything, so I would expect to see the Middle being reached much more often - as it is in Canada.

Moderate conservatives are in the minority, it's the non-moderates who run the Conservative Party since the Conservative Party merger. So again, be careful what you wish for, it often leads to a stronger right, not a more divided one where the Conservatives you prefer end up winning, that's wishful thinking on your part.

[SuburbanFarmer]

I'd be quite happy with more success for moderate conservatives, or moderate anything. You can't take 3+ extreme positions on much of anything, so I would expect to see the Middle being reached much more often - as it is in Canada.

Moderate conservatives are in the minority, it's the non-moderates who run the Conservative Party since the NDP started picking up steam. So again, be careful what you wish for.

Anything's better than insaniacs railing about The End Of America every 2 years, while America is actually ending for completely unrelated reasons.

[StCapps]

I'd be quite happy with more success for moderate conservatives, or moderate anything. You can't take 3+ extreme positions on much of anything, so I would expect to see the Middle being reached much more often - as it is in Canada.

Moderate conservatives are in the minority, it's the non-moderates who run the Conservative Party since the NDP started picking up steam. So again, be careful what you wish for.

Anything's better than insaniacs railing about The End Of America every 2 years, while America is actually ending for completely unrelated reasons.

How does having more than two major political parties help in that regard? Not seeing how it would help, you are just hoping it would help and are using wishful thinking type reasoning to back up that hope. More political parties will not result in Canadian style political discourse, that's not how it works, nor is it likely to be of benefit to the influence of the left leaning brand of America idiocy, if Canada or Britain are any indication.

[Montegriffo]

Having more than two parties is no panacea, there is in fact little difference in having three or four. Take it from those who know first hand, you won't like the third or fourth party either and nothing will have really changed, it is not the big change you seem to expect it would be.

Tell that to UKIP, a tiny party with a fuckwit leader who never once won a seat despite standing 7 times.Now polling in 4th or 5th place (often behind the Greens) they managed to help bring about the biggest change in British politics since the war and possibly wreck the future of the younger generation for years to come. Minority parties don't necessarily need to gain power in order to influence governments and bring about massive change (for better or worse).

[StCapps]

I'm not talking about UKIP running the Conservative Party obviously, I'm talking Blue Tories. The Red Tories are in the minority, while Blue Tory Thatcher types run the party, don't be obtuse. The Robert Stanfield's of the world aren't in charge of the Federal Conservative Party, in either Canada or Britain, and you well know it.

[Montegriffo]

I'm not talking about UKIP running the Conservative Party obviously, I'm talking Blue Tories. The Red Tories are in the minority, while Blue Tory Thatcher types run the party, don't be obtuse. The Robert Stanfield's of the world aren't in charge of the Federal Conservative Party, in either Canada or Britain, and you well know it.

Not really sure where you are going with this tangent. In your post that I was responding to you were claiming that third parties don't change anything. I disagree, when a major party starts losing votes to a minor party it can persuade/scare them into changing policy. You think David Cameron called the referendum because he wanted to leave the EU? No, they lost enough seats in the 2015 election they were running scared. Tories thought once a referendum had been held and lost by the Brexit supporters the voters would come back to the party. This minority movement for independance from Europe started by Farage 20 years ago has changed British politics for decades to come despite UKIP never coming close to forming a government.

[StCapps]

Not saying there is no difference, I'm saying that difference isn't that big, and any Americans who are expecting more major parties to vastly improve American political discourse, so that it ends up more like Canada or Britain in that regard, they are going to end up disappointed, and chances are more likely than not that the left ends up more politically divided than the right in the process. So be careful what you wish for, the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

[Hwen Hoshino]

I'd be quite happy with more success for moderate conservatives, or moderate anything. You can't take 3+ extreme positions on much of anything, so I would expect to see the Middle being reached much more often - as it is in Canada.

Moderate conservatives are in the minority, it's the non-moderates who run the Conservative Party since the NDP started picking up steam. So again, be careful what you wish for.

Anything's better than insaniacs railing about The End Of America every 2 years, while America is actually ending for completely unrelated reasons.

America is ending? What?

[SuburbanFarmer]

Moderate conservatives are in the minority, it's the non-moderates who run the Conservative Party since the NDP started picking up steam. So again, be careful what you wish for.

Anything's better than insaniacs railing about The End Of America every 2 years, while America is actually ending for completely unrelated reasons.

America is ending? What?

In exactly the way the founders anticipated. Freedom being trampled by fear and incompetence. The old values are lost, and supplanted with new ones. Citizens accept slavery for security. Ya know. America.