Sell me on why I should embrace the Muslim religion

[de officiis]

I didn't say it's easy. But to claim there should exist an absolute freedom of religion is insanity. We have one religion that will never recognize your freedom to even exist. Their religion is literally predicated upon the extermination of all unbelievers.

In an earlier thread, I gave the example of Aztecs. If Mexicans still worshiped their old gods and sacrificed humans in their temples, would you want them coming here at all? I wouldn't. There obviously exists a line. Let's just admit that right now.

The freedom of religion, as it was conceived by our founders, had to do with the wars between Christian sects in Europe. I.e. the English Civil Wars and the Thirty Years War. If you go back and read what they actually wrote when they wrote about Muslims, there is absolutely no fucking way they would have allowed Muslims in any great number to move here. I am sure they wouldn't care about a few here and there, but not this. This is fucking nuts.

It has never been the law in this country that there is absolute freedom of religion. You can believe what you want, but you can't infringe on the rights of others. Surely you know this.

Are you intentionally missing the point?

Here we have a religion that does NOT recognize the principle of freedom of religion. This idea that we should "tolerate" all religions to the point where we allow mass migrations of people of any religion into our nation is suicide precisely because, when Muslims reach some critical mass such that they can impact laws, they will eventually get around to rescinding the freedom of religion in America.

This concept of freedom of any religion in America is suicidal. It will eventually lead to the situation where a religion that does not recognize this freedom gaining enough power to remove the principle. Meanwhile you placed your descendants in a worse place than 1930s' era Jews ever were in.

I think your fears of an Islamic takeover are exagerrated. It's an awfully long way from A to B.

[Speaker to Animals]

It has never been the law in this country that there is absolute freedom of religion. You can believe what you want, but you can't infringe on the rights of others. Surely you know this.

Are you intentionally missing the point?

Here we have a religion that does NOT recognize the principle of freedom of religion. This idea that we should "tolerate" all religions to the point where we allow mass migrations of people of any religion into our nation is suicide precisely because, when Muslims reach some critical mass such that they can impact laws, they will eventually get around to rescinding the freedom of religion in America.

This concept of freedom of any religion in America is suicidal. It will eventually lead to the situation where a religion that does not recognize this freedom gaining enough power to remove the principle. Meanwhile you placed your descendants in a worse place than 1930s' era Jews ever were in.

I think your fears of an Islamic takeover are exagerrated. It's an awfully long way from A to B.

That's disingenuous.

First of all, I don't think they will be able to take over America. I think they will try, but they will lose.

Secondly, the fact that you admit that this eventually leads "from A to B", no matter how long you happen to think that will take, should have been enough for you to admit they don't belong here.

Thirdly, the time it takes to get from A to B is entirely up to the left. They could accelerate it in eight years by taking over the Executive and flooding us with more Muslims "refugees".

Lastly, Europe is only at about 6% Muslim and look at what the fuck they have to deal with. No matter how long you think it will take to get from A to B, every step along the way comes with more and more terror attacks, rape gangs, sharia law patrols, harassment, and God knows whatever the hell else. You characterize it like everything is roses and smiley faces until all the sudden we hit step B. Wrong. You know that's not an honest characterization of it.

[The Conservative]

The concept of freedom of religion as you seem to define it is suicidal.

Ok, so it's Day 1 in the Red State Nation and you're in charge. Is there going to freedom of religion or not? And if there is, how will you define it to avoid it being "suicidal"?

That's simple. Believe what you want, get those together that believe what you do, willingly... if you force your beliefs on others, or attempt to, you have two choices.

1. Stop.
2. GTFO.

[jediuser598]

The concept of freedom of religion as you seem to define it is suicidal.

Ok, so it's Day 1 in the Red State Nation and you're in charge. Is there going to freedom of religion or not? And if there is, how will you define it to avoid it being "suicidal"?

That's simple. Believe what you want, get those together that believe what you do, willingly... if you force your beliefs on others, or attempt to, you have two choices.

1. Stop.
2. GTFO.

Blue laws gone, religious displays, exclusive to one religion, gone. "Under god." Gone. I like the way you think.

[The Conservative]

Ok, so it's Day 1 in the Red State Nation and you're in charge. Is there going to freedom of religion or not? And if there is, how will you define it to avoid it being "suicidal"?

That's simple. Believe what you want, get those together that believe what you do, willingly... if you force your beliefs on others, or attempt to, you have two choices.

1. Stop.
2. GTFO.

Blue laws gone, religious displays, exclusive to one religion, gone. "Under god." Gone. I like the way you think.

"Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance was put in around the "Red Scare", I don't care if it's in there or not. Religious displays on a personal property, I don't care about, on public, I don't either... as long as you aren't forcing it down someone's throat as in saying, "You must accept my religion above all others". I don't want to see "God is Great, my god above all others, etc" Be humble or GTFO... So those on the road that are saying, you must convert, GTFO...

Blue Laws, I think were the most stupid things that ever existed...

[SuburbanFarmer]

The way I see it, what you guys fail to acknowledge is that you can't discriminate on the basis of religious belief without having some form of thought police. It's not enough to have some sort of entrance exam for immigrants, because as we've seen, natural citizens are perfectly capable of self radicalizing anytime they want. All it takes is an Internet connection and a willing mind. So you would need to have ongoing, continuous screening of some kind of all citizens to ensure that no one could begin to believe in some form of dangerous religion. That sort of policing mechanism is not consistent with a free society. This is what GCF keeps telling you when he expresses concerns about living in a police state, but you guys always ignore his point.

They seem to ignore it, regardless of where it comes from. Complex issues don't fit well with those demanding a simplistic solution.

Seriously, thank you for acknowledging this point though.

[DrYouth]

See, now that is just wrong. If the liberal Satanists want to protest your un-PC language that's their right, but as soon as they start forcing you to give up your sacrificial Christian slaves that you had slated for Odin they are impinging on your freedom of religion.

Are you refusing to use their preferred Satanist pronouns?
"Their unholiness" is a bit unwieldy after all.

[de officiis]

Are you intentionally missing the point?

Here we have a religion that does NOT recognize the principle of freedom of religion. This idea that we should "tolerate" all religions to the point where we allow mass migrations of people of any religion into our nation is suicide precisely because, when Muslims reach some critical mass such that they can impact laws, they will eventually get around to rescinding the freedom of religion in America.

This concept of freedom of any religion in America is suicidal. It will eventually lead to the situation where a religion that does not recognize this freedom gaining enough power to remove the principle. Meanwhile you placed your descendants in a worse place than 1930s' era Jews ever were in.

I think your fears of an Islamic takeover are exagerrated. It's an awfully long way from A to B.

That's disingenuous.

First of all, I don't think they will be able to take over America. I think they will try, but they will lose.

Secondly, the fact that you admit that this eventually leads "from A to B", no matter how long you happen to think that will take, should have been enough for you to admit they don't belong here.

Thirdly, the time it takes to get from A to B is entirely up to the left. They could accelerate it in eight years by taking over the Executive and flooding us with more Muslims "refugees".

Lastly, Europe is only at about 6% Muslim and look at what the fuck they have to deal with. No matter how long you think it will take to get from A to B, every step along the way comes with more and more terror attacks, rape gangs, sharia law patrols, harassment, and God knows whatever the hell else. You characterize it like everything is roses and smiley faces until all the sudden we hit step B. Wrong. You know that's not an honest characterization of it.

Well, I don't believe they will either, so I make no admission. "Point B" would basically be the overturning of our entire governmental system at every level and the establishment of a religious caliphate, a possibility I find remote in the extreme. And our constitutional system of individual rights and liberties is not the same as what exists in France or the UK, nor have we admitted nearly the number of immigrants they have, so drawing an analogy to what is happening in Europe is problematic at best.

Why is a timetable solely within the power of the Left, when Trump is in the White House and the Republicans control the Congress and many state legislatures? Why is eight years a relevant time frame? Why would the Left, who are seeking to shed the U.S. of its Judeo-Christian roots at every opportunity, suddenly embrace Islam as its substitute? Are you suggesting they would be duped into it by their own stupidity or naivete? Everyone can see what is happening in France, Sweden and the Netherlands--there aren't any surprises.

[Zlaxer]

Why would the Left, who are seeking to shed the U.S. of its Judeo-Christian roots at every opportunity, suddenly embrace Islam as its substitute?

We've been down this line before...


The far left embraces Islam because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. The goal of the far left is to tear down western society...they openly admit it if you read their published documents....Islam's goal is also to tear down the west.....

Even Bill Maher (a lefty but not a full blown commie) has picked up on this.....

In otherwords, the left will support anything that's anti OWG.

[BjornP]

I deeply regret my outrageous display of Satanophobia and apologize for any offense I may have caused to satyrs, succubi, mares, efreeti and to His Maliciousness Lord Baalzebub, dread lord Mephisto and of course Satan himself.

As a display of penance I've elected to hand over my Christian slaves designated as hanging sacrifices to Odin, to the nearest Satanist cult.

See, now that is just wrong. If the liberal Satanists want to protest your un-PC language that's their right, but as soon as they start forcing you to give up your sacrificial Christian slaves that you had slated for Odin they are impinging on your freedom of religion.

Oh, that's ok since we're donating them voluntarily. Apologies gots to involve sacrifices, after all. And it's not like there aren't enough worshippers of the scrawny carpenter to pick from.