Europe, the not boring thread

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It's weird when you're used to Scandinavian manners.

Manners imposed by law is a tyranny if there ever was one.

The freedom of the press is heavily protected in Sweden and has been so since 1766 when we got the first press freedom law in the world written into our Constitution.
The rules about not publishing names unnecessarily are just customs held by the publishers.

The UK police though should not have released the driver's name. They should have simply said "we have detained the driver for questioning". In the UK apparently you can be detained for 24 hours before they have to charge you, up to 96 if it's under suspicion of murder. It's rather loaded language, they are not "charging" you with suspicion of murder, merely detaining you for questioning - if they had proof they'd be "charging" you with murder (no "suspicion of").

[Hastur]

Manners imposed by law is a tyranny if there ever was one.

The freedom of the press is heavily protected in Sweden and has been so since 1766 when we got the first press freedom law in the world written into our Constitution.
The rules about not publishing names unnecessarily are just customs held by the publishers.

The UK police though should not have released the driver's name. They should have simply said "we have detained the driver for questioning". In the UK apparently you can be detained for 24 hours before they have to charge you, up to 96 if it's under suspicion of murder. It's rather loaded language, they are not "charging" you with suspicion of murder, merely detaining you for questioning - if they had proof they'd be "charging" you with murder (no "suspicion of").

A half decent journalist would still have the name within an hour but shouldn't print it without a bloody good reason.

[Smitty-48]

A half decent journalist would still have the name within an hour but shouldn't print it without a bloody good reason.

Driving around with a truck full of dead bodies is plenty reason enough; suspicion of mass murder.

It's not a speeding ticket, it's 39 dead people in your truck wtf.

I'm all for privacy, but if that's your truck full of dead bodies, your identity just became of public interest.

[Hastur]

A half decent journalist would still have the name within an hour but shouldn't print it without a bloody good reason.

Driving around with a truck full of dead bodies is plenty reason enough; suspicion of mass murder.

It's not a speeding ticket, it's 39 dead people in your truck wtf.

I'm all for privacy, but if that's your truck full of dead bodies, your identity just became of public interest.

They will not be less dead by people knowing the drivers name. If he was driving around in a truck full of people about to die unless he was found and stopped, then it would be good to identify him.

[Smitty-48]

A half decent journalist would still have the name within an hour but shouldn't print it without a bloody good reason.

Driving around with a truck full of dead bodies is plenty reason enough; suspicion of mass murder.

It's not a speeding ticket, it's 39 dead people in your truck wtf.

I'm all for privacy, but if that's your truck full of dead bodies, your identity just became of public interest.

They will not be less dead by people knowing the drivers name. If he was driving around in a truck full of people about to die unless he was found and stopped, then it would be good to identify him.

I'm just saying, your right to privacy doesn't extend to work, he's driving a truck, that's the office, what you do at the office is not your private business as it would be in your home, you're using the public roads, it's not your backyard, if what you do at the office on the public roads involves 39 people being killed, the expectation of anonymity is unrealistic.

[Smitty-48]

It's like if you're a truck driver and you crash your truck killing 39 people, same thing, at work on the public roads, not your private space, the police are going to release the names of people who cause mayhem on the public roads, of course they do.

Don't like it? Don't accept a truck drivers license and drive a truck on the public roads, that's not privacy protected. When you sign that license, it's a higher level of accountability.

[Hastur]

Driving around with a truck full of dead bodies is plenty reason enough; suspicion of mass murder.

It's not a speeding ticket, it's 39 dead people in your truck wtf.

I'm all for privacy, but if that's your truck full of dead bodies, your identity just became of public interest.

They will not be less dead by people knowing the drivers name. If he was driving around in a truck full of people about to die unless he was found and stopped, then it would be good to identify him.

I'm just saying, your right to privacy doesn't extend to work, he's driving a truck, that's the office, what you do at the office is not your private business as it would be in your home, you're using the public roads, it's not your backyard, if what you do at the office on the public roads involves 39 people being killed, the expectation of anonymity is unrealistic.

True. I think we are too restrictive in Sweden. Somewhere on between would be fine with me. It's customs. No one has the right to be anonymous. If the press finds reason they can print what they feel like.

[Smitty-48]

True. I think we are too restrictive in Sweden. Somewhere on between would be fine with me. It's customs. No one has the right to be anonymous. If the press finds reason they can print what they feel like.

I think you have the reasonable expectation to privacy on your own property, in your own home, but once you are at work, particularly working on public property, you've chosen to make yourself public.

[Smitty-48]

The guy doesn't even own the truck, he's driving for a company, boom, expectation of privacy gone, the truck is not even his property, public roads, somebody else's truck, refrigerator truck at -25C and you put 39 people in the back? That's not privacy protected.

I mean, that's mass murder really, you can't claim "whoops" when you lock people in -25C. And I assume he did this for money, so that's brutal, monstrous. Froze 39 people to death for a few shekels, that's cold.

The only defense I can think of is that he didn't put them in the truck and wasn't aware that they were in there, but that seems unlikely.

Obviously he didn't didn't think they would be dead, but I mean, c'mon, -25C for how many hours? That's at least 2nd degree murder, 39 counts.

[Hastur]

The guy doesn't even own the truck, he's driving for a company, boom, expectation of privacy gone, the truck is not even his property, public roads, somebody else's truck, refrigerator truck at -25C and you put 39 people in the back? That's not privacy protected.

I mean, that's mass murder really, you can't claim "whoops" when you lock people in -25C. And I assume he did this for money, so that's brutal, monstrous. Froze 39 people to death for a few shekels, that's cold.

The only defense I can think of is that he didn't put them in the truck and wasn't aware that they were in there, but that seems unlikely.

Obviously he didn't didn't think they would be dead, but I mean, c'mon, -25C for how many hours? That's at least 2nd degree murder, 39 counts.

That company seems to have been involved. People that depraved can only hide it to some extent. The driver must have known he was working for crooks. Maybe not the full extent of it, but he knew they were shady.