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[StCapps]

The marines are known for their affinity to water proximity. They fight better in humidity.

If Marines didn't fight better in a marine environment than the army or air force, than they really would be obsolete. That isn't the case though.

[Smitty-48]

You can just look at the latest LHA's that the Navy is ordering for the Marines to operate from, they are taking the "assault" aspect right out of the equation, they're not even ordering them with docks anymore, they're not designing them to land heavy equipment for an opposed landing, instead, they are turning them into mini-aircraft carriers, packed to the gunnels with F-35B's.

[Speaker to Animals]

The fearsome single-engine naval aircraft.. Who came up with that genius idea?

[StCapps]

You can just look at the latest LHA's that the Navy is ordering for the Marines to operate from, they are taking the "assault" aspect right out of the equation, they're not even ordering them with docks anymore, they're not designing them to land heavy equipment for an opposed landing, instead, they are turning them into mini-aircraft carriers, packed to the gunnels with F-35B's.

Still not seeing how the army and air force can just take over almost the entire job of the navy and still be far more effective doing those jobs than the Navy could ever be. That's Grumps theory and it's ridiculous on the face of it.

[Smitty-48]

You can just look at the latest LHA's that the Navy is ordering for the Marines to operate from, they are taking the "assault" aspect right out of the equation, they're not even ordering them with docks anymore, they're not designing them to land heavy equipment for an opposed landing, instead, they are turning them into mini-aircraft carriers, packed to the gunnels with F-35B's.

Still not seeing how the army and air force can just take over the entire job and be far more effective than the Navy could ever be. That's Grumps theory.

The Navy is becoming a Seabasing force, all aircraft carriers and logistics ships, the Army is saying "we can ride in those, if there's no opposed landing, then there is no requirement for a dedicated amphibious force", the Air Force is saying, "we're going to win the war with airpower alone, we will destroy the enemy, and then the Army can come in and mop up", the Marines are saying "we're an airforce too! We want some of that sweet sweet air force money", the Navy is saying "we're an airforce too! We want some of that sweet sweet air force money too!"

The Army hasn't figured out how to turn themselves into an air force yet, but they're working on it.

[Speaker to Animals]

You can just look at the latest LHA's that the Navy is ordering for the Marines to operate from, they are taking the "assault" aspect right out of the equation, they're not even ordering them with docks anymore, they're not designing them to land heavy equipment for an opposed landing, instead, they are turning them into mini-aircraft carriers, packed to the gunnels with F-35B's.

Still not seeing how the army and air force can just take over the entire job and be far more effective than the Navy could ever be. That's Grumps theory.

The Navy is becoming a Seabasing force, all aircraft carriers and logistics ships, the Army is saying "we can ride in those, if there's no opposed landing, then there is no requirement for a dedicated amphibious force", the Air Force is saying, "we're going to win the war with airpower alone, we will destroy the enemy, and then the Army can come in and mop up", the Marines are saying "we're an airforce too! We want some of that sweet sweet air force money", the Navy is saying "we're an airforce too! We want some of that sweet sweet air force money too!"

That about sums it up.

[The Conservative]

In al fairness to the rest of Earth, Smitty and Grumps are revered as military experts in exactly zero circles.


Excepting the global coalition of nuclear mine-toting fishing trawlers of course, where they're revere as gods.

To be fair to Smitty, his military knowledge should never be compared to the know-nothing commiecatface.

Nah, man. GCF is 10th prestige in CoD 4: Remastered. He's well-informed, fo sho.

Get it right, it's not CoD, it's Command and Conquer! Don't you know, it's one of the few games you can defeat an entire map with air power only...

[StCapps]

The Navy is becoming a Seabasing force, all aircraft carriers and logistics ships, the Army is saying "we can ride in those, if there's no opposed landing, then there is no requirement for a dedicated amphibious force", the Air Force is saying, "we're going to win the war with airpower alone, we will destroy the enemy, and then the Army can come in and mop up", the Marines are saying "we're an airforce too! We want some of that sweet sweet air force money", the Navy is saying "we're an airforce too! We want some of that sweet sweet air force money too!"

The Army hasn't figured out how to turn themselves into an air force yet, but they're working on it.

Right but just because Navy and Army are trying get in on the Air Force action doesn't mean that the army or navy is obsolete and America should focus exclusively on air power. They just want government cheese, big difference.

That's where Grumps goes off the rails, thinking the navy is obsolete because it's trying to get in on the air power game, who needs a navy when you have an air force and an army?

[Speaker to Animals]

Let's be serious here. The USN has the largest budget. They starve out important programs for their carrier groups, which serve little unique strategic value other than dick waving. The Navy has almost twice the budget of the USAF and takes up almost half of the the defense spending.

If you want to seriously cut waste in the military, then cut the carrier groups at least in half.

[StCapps]

Let's be serious here. The USN has the largest budget. They starve out important programs for their carrier groups, which serve little unique strategic value other than dick waving. The Navy has almost twice the budget of the USAF and takes up almost half of the the defense spending.

If you want to seriously cut waste in the military, then cut the carrier groups at least in half.

Aircraft carriers have a whole more strategic value than dick waving, but at least this an argument that isn't completely retarded, unlike the "fuck the navy, we have an air force and army, we don't need no stinking navy" one that I've been hearing. If you want to argue that US military could allocate it's resources more wisely than the current setup, that's kind of hard to argue against, but you don't need to come to ridiculous conclusions about the navy being obsolete in order to back up that assumption, and that's where Grumps goes wrong.