Trump Tower Bugged by BHO?

[StCapps]

So StCapps, please tell what are the other suspects? What's the genuine alternative suspect?

And btw, is it so you would believe "proof" given By the intelligence services and the FBI?

Don't feel like engaging in idle speculation without proper evidence. I'd be surprised if Russia didn't meddle in the US election, but I don't go jumping the gun and claim that I know they did without proof, unlike some people.

If the evidence would be lacking, why then the whole present hulabaloo? Why the hell would be everybody in panic in Whitehouse? Why is Nunes going here and there? Why would Flynn only talk with immunity?

The hulabaloo is grasping at straws out of a hatred of Trump, WH in a panic is a Democrat talking point designed to support provide a "where there is smoke, there's fire" narrative, Nunes is an idiot and Flynn wants to cover his ass from a political witch hunt. Russian involvement trying to influence US elections is not required to explain this chain of events because there are plenty of plausible explanations that don't involve Russian involvement.

Besides, what actually would Russia hacking Hillary be so damaging to Trump, if Trump would have nothing to do with it, there would be no problem. Russia was active in the Scottish referendum, yet no British/Scottish politician panicked. How goddam difficult would it be for Trump just to say that "Russia has a habit in meddling in Western elections". Just like uh, Paul Ryan today. Even might have given a history lesson by telling that "Khrushchov favoured JFK" as everybody surely understandss that JFK wasn't some Russian stooge".

Trump doesn't want to admit the Russians helped him at all because he wants all the credit for victory. If proof emerges then Trump will retreat to giving the Russians some credit but downplaying the extent of their involvement, expecting Trump to play this differently is to expect him not be a politician but a saint who do the right thing. Just because some of the GOP is also pushing this Russian boogeyman narrative doesn't mean there is good reason for Trump to push it as well.

[ssu]

My anonimouse sorcerers tell me the whole Russia thing started out to be a way to deflect blame from the DNC rigging and the postmortem of HRC.

Flynn came to the Trump team in February 2016, and he had been on that infamous dinner party with Putin in December 2015. Flynn was basically just said to be a general that wants to work with the Russians on countering terrorism.

Donald Trump is receiving foreign policy advice from a former U.S. military intelligence chief who wants the United States to work more closely with Russia to resolve global security issues, according to three sources.

The sources, former foreign policy officials in past administrations, said retired Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, who was chief of the Defense Intelligence Agency under President Barack Obama from 2012-2014, has been informally advising Trump.

Trump, who is leading the Republican race to be the party's presidential candidate in November's election, said earlier this month that he would soon release a list of his foreign policy advisers, but has yet to do so. The Trump campaign did not respond to a request for comment about Flynn.

Reuters, 26th February 2016.

Once Trump came out with his foreign policy team, Carter Page stood out as an oddity in the Washington Foreign Policy circles. For example when Manafort came to the helm, people were OK with him.

Here's how it was reported in March, just one example:

Donald Trump’s new lineup of little-known foreign policy advisers isn’t exactly assuaging concerns about the Manhattan real estate mogul’s readiness to be commander in chief. Republican insiders were scratching their heads Monday at names Trump offered as sources of regular advice on national security.
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Another private-sector Trump adviser is Carter Page, a former investment banker and global energy consultant who graduated from the Naval Academy, according to his online biography. Page has blamed the U.S. for "misguided and provocative actions" toward Russia — notable in light of Trump's friendly words for Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Page, who has worked for Merrill Lynch in Moscow, has accused the State Department's top official for Ukraine and Russia, Victoria Nuland, of "fomenting" the 2014 revolution that overthrew Ukraine's government. That charge is often lodged by pro-Kremlin media outlets but is strongly disputed by the Obama administration.

See Trump's foreign policy team baffles GOP experts

And from there on Carter Page didn't seem to go away, even if the Trump team distanced itself from the guy.

[ssu]

Don't feel like engaging in idle speculation without proper evidence.

So it's not proper that what has been said. And not in any way connected all the other quite evident parts in the Russian Pro-Trump/anti-Hillary information campaign.

Of course, that doesn't mean anything to you. It's totally different that one country chooses to support one candidate in such obvious way?

[StCapps]

Don't feel like engaging in idle speculation without proper evidence.

So it's not proper that what has been said. And not in any way connected all the other quite evident parts in the Russian Pro-Trump/anti-Hillary information campaign.

Of course, that doesn't mean anything to you. It's totally different that one country chooses to support one candidate in such obvious way?

I'd be surprised if Russia didn't meddle in the US election, and I'd be surprised if they didn't want Trump to win, but I don't go jumping the gun and claim that I know they intervened to help Trump without proof, unlike some people. Me? I'll wait for the evidence and leave the idle speculation to others.

/shrugs

I don't need to grasp at straws to legitimately attack Trump and/or the Russians, I have plenty of good ammo to do that without having to resort to that level of laziness. Some of you think you need to throw the kitchen sink at them, but I choose my battles with Trump and the Russians far less poorly than some people.

[ssu]

I'd be surprised if Russia didn't meddle in the US election, and I'd be surprised if they didn't want Trump to win, but I don't go jumping the gun and claim that I know they intervened to help Trump without proof, unlike some people.

So wait a minute...

You say you would be surprised if Russia didn't meddle in the US election.

So how did it meddle then?

Did the Russians favour Hillary?

Did they favour Trump???

Did you ever look at RT etc. reporting during the elections??? Seems you didn't. Because the answer is obvious


Your a bit confused now.

If there's something we don't know, it is just what kind of relationship was there with the Trump team and Russia. That's the thing. That's open. The idea that Russia wasn't involved is hilarious. Heck, there officials did even say publicly they helped Trump, but didn't tamper with the elections themselves.

[kybkh]

What is "meddling in an election"?

Why are people not discussing the fact that the Senate Committee stated that Russia has been doing it since 2008?

Why don't people admit it was effective this time because the person they were attacking (HRC) was vulnerable?

If Trump was over heard telling Putin "after the election I can be more flexible" during an election cycle we now "know" Russia was "meddling" would that be considered treason?



Once again, this was 2012, a year the Senate Intel Committee has stated as fact that Russia was attempting to "meddle".

[StCapps]

So wait a minute...

You say you would be surprised if Russia didn't meddle in the US election.

Yup.

So how did it meddle then?

I await the evidence and won't resort to speculation.

Did the Russians favour Hillary?

No.

Did they favour Trump???

More than Hillary I suppose, they dodged a bullet there. Lesser of two evils ftw from Russia's perspective.

If there's something we don't know, it is just what kind of relationship was there with the Trump team and Russia. That's the thing. The idea that Russia wasn't involved is hilarious. Heck, there officials did even say publicly they helped Trump, but didn't tamper with the elections themselves.

I await the evidence and won't resort to speculation. You obviously are willing to resort to speculation if you think Russia and Trump colluded to influence the election in Trump's favor without needing to see any proof and are merely filling in the blanks with your anti-Russian confirmation bias.

I prefer to wait for the facts before jumping to conclusions, you prefer jumping to conclusions while waiting on the facts. That is the biggest difference between us on this matter.

[Dand]

Your only arguments here are lies. You're mindlessly repeating memes that were spoonfed to you (Russians colluded with GOP and Pence wants to electrocute gays). Try reading what other people write instead of reposting newspaper headlines month after month.

Pence never voted for something that would electrocute gays or said he supported it. It's a meme, you dip.

Mmmm, if you guys had not been quite so keen to regurgitate stories about birth certificates, the gender of the first lady, pizzagate, the fall of Europe to Islam etc you might have a point. However as many a good argument has been buried in such a manner you can hardly expect others to shut up just because you want them to. I have no idea what the truth is about these allegations but demanding Penner stops posting articles about it is starting to look a little desperate.
Eventually the truth will out, lets hope it doesn't take as long as Obama's citizenship did.......for your sake

Speculation about unknown things is different than repeating lies about something that is on the record.

Repeating newspaper headlines doesn't make you informed (it makes you a puppet) and your smarm is misplaced.

[ssu]

What is "meddling in an election"?

Just as the dictionary says: to interest oneself in what is not one's concern.

Why are people not discussing the fact that the Senate Committee stated that Russia has been doing it since 2008?

Why don't people admit it was effective this time because the person they were attacking (HRC) was vulnerable?

If Trump was over heard telling Putin "after the election I can be more flexible" during an election cycle we now "know" Russia was "meddling" would that be considered treason?



Once again, this was 2012, a year the Senate Intel Committee has stated as fact that Russia was attempting to "meddle".

Actually kybkh, this is my point.

Why the hell are people so intodenying that Russia has not had "active measures", hasn't been active? That it's all fake. And insist it could be some other entity, even now? Why did Trump react that way in the first Place? Talk about not defusing the situation, but just spreading gasoline everywhere.

If Russia has a favorite and tries to meddle in things, OK, it can do it. That shouldn't be a thing to deny taking place. It's basically rude manners, as foreign countries should not interfere with the elections of other countries.

But what is more damaging is basically the collusion that everybody is talking about. (Collusion = secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose) If there is cooperation or that at worst, the domestic candidate asks a foreign entity for help, then obviously the question arises where is his or her loyalties.

[Dand]

Good thing there is absolutely no evidence of collusion.