Net Neutrality

[Speaker to Animals]

How hard would it be to start a local ISP? Would it be possible to start in a single city and then expand out? Seems like a great opportunity....just do an ISP, no cable....I'm pretty sure it's possible to severely undercut the big guys who are saddled with paying network broadcast royalties/licenses.

Dude, what?

You have to run coax or fiber to every house in your market. The houses have to have hookups for it. The cable companies control that. They use the commons to run their lines, and they maintain a monopoly on that, and now they are trying to jack the consumers.

Then you have to have to deal with the companies who control the Internet backbone in America.

I've dealt with WAN providers - that pretty easy.....what governs the right to run lines in city conduit?

We tried that. The same companies that bribed the FCC to dump net neutrality bribed state legislatures to literally criminalize municipal WAN.

Everybody who supports this is on the exact opposite side of competition. This is the opposite thereof.

[DBTrek]

Returning to that veritable hell of the internet pre-2015.
God save us all.

[Speaker to Animals]

I wasn't joking when I said Comcast made Netflix unusable in the Chicago market.

You are not going to have competition when the ISP can penalize any traffic it chooses. You already don't have competition between ISPs, since most Americans have only one choice of broadband.

And.. if they are not a utility, then we need charge them use fees for running their cables across the commons and also personally to everybody who's easement is used.

[Speaker to Animals]

http://mattvukas.com/2014/02/10/comcast ... furiating/

[The Conservative]

Dude, what?

You have to run coax or fiber to every house in your market. The houses have to have hookups for it. The cable companies control that. They use the commons to run their lines, and they maintain a monopoly on that, and now they are trying to jack the consumers.

Then you have to have to deal with the companies who control the Internet backbone in America.

I've dealt with WAN providers - that pretty easy.....what governs the right to run lines in city conduit?

We tried that. The same companies that bribed the FCC to dump net neutrality bribed state legislatures to literally criminalize municipal WAN.

Everybody who supports this is on the exact opposite side of competition. This is the opposite thereof.

You still haven't answered the primary question, if mega-companies such as Comcast, Google, Amazon, etc are for net Neutrality, shouldn't that pose a major red flag to you in what it's real purpose is?

[Zlaxer]

Dude, what?

You have to run coax or fiber to every house in your market. The houses have to have hookups for it. The cable companies control that. They use the commons to run their lines, and they maintain a monopoly on that, and now they are trying to jack the consumers.

Then you have to have to deal with the companies who control the Internet backbone in America.

I've dealt with WAN providers - that pretty easy.....what governs the right to run lines in city conduit?

We tried that. The same companies that bribed the FCC to dump net neutrality bribed state legislatures to literally criminalize municipal WAN.

Everybody who supports this is on the exact opposite side of competition. This is the opposite thereof.

Don't need Muni-WAN - just need rights to run fiber through Muni conduits...

[Speaker to Animals]

Netflix hand-delivered 256 pages (pdf) to the US government this week arguing that Comcast shouldn’t be allowed to acquire Time Warner Cable. “The proposed merger puts at risk the end-to-end principle that has characterized the internet and been a key driver in the creation of the most important communication platform in history,” Netflix’s lawyers wrote.

The streaming video company’s filing provides much more detail about its negotiations with Comcast earlier this year that led it to pay for more direct access to Comcast’s internet customers. “In Netflix’s experience, there are four ISPs that have the market power to engage in degradation strategies to harm OVDs,” Netflix wrote, referring to internet service providers (ISPs) intentionally slowing down traffic from online video distributors (OVDs). “Two of those four propose to merge in this transaction.”

https://qz.com/256586/the-inside-story- ... t-traffic/


^^^ That's the OPPOSITE of competition, sweet little meat puppets. Walk away from Reason.com. It's rotting your brains.

[Speaker to Animals]

I've dealt with WAN providers - that pretty easy.....what governs the right to run lines in city conduit?

We tried that. The same companies that bribed the FCC to dump net neutrality bribed state legislatures to literally criminalize municipal WAN.

Everybody who supports this is on the exact opposite side of competition. This is the opposite thereof.

Don't need Muni-WAN - just need rights to run fiber through Muni conduits...

LOL!

Maybe you should go ask Comcast and AT&T if you can have access to that.

[Zlaxer]

We tried that. The same companies that bribed the FCC to dump net neutrality bribed state legislatures to literally criminalize municipal WAN.

Everybody who supports this is on the exact opposite side of competition. This is the opposite thereof.

Don't need Muni-WAN - just need rights to run fiber through Muni conduits...

LOL!

Maybe you should go ask Comcast and AT&T if you can have access to that.

That was my earlier questions - are the conduits muni or commercially owned?

[Speaker to Animals]

I've dealt with WAN providers - that pretty easy.....what governs the right to run lines in city conduit?

We tried that. The same companies that bribed the FCC to dump net neutrality bribed state legislatures to literally criminalize municipal WAN.

Everybody who supports this is on the exact opposite side of competition. This is the opposite thereof.

You still haven't answered the primary question, if mega-companies such as Comcast, Google, Amazon, etc are for net Neutrality, shouldn't that pose a major red flag to you in what it's real purpose is?

Comcast is not for net neutrality.

Google wavers back and forth, depending upon what benefits them at the time.

Amazon is for net neutrality because they know Comcast and other cable ISPs are going to throttle their streaming services lest they pay up big time.

Everything comes down to the profit motive. Cable companies control the broadband in this country. They bribed your state legislatures to criminalize the push for municipal broadband services more than ten years ago so they have monopolies now. They also have shitty on demand television services that cannot really compete with Netflix or Amazon streaming services. The cable package is a fucking waste of money, which is why most people just purchase the broadband internet and then get Netflix. Cable companies want to end net neutrality because it means they can throttle and essentially shut down competition. Competition they allow won't really be competition at all, since the cable company will get a cut out of that business in exchange for allowing their broadband customers to view the content.

It's a giant steaming pile of burning horse shit.