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[Smitty-48]

The concepts the Navy is working now, are "Seabasing" and "Ship-to-Shore Connectors", so the ships will sit way offshore, as floating docks, the battle itself will be won with airpower and airmobile forces, then once the battle is won, the Ship-to-Shore Connectors swing into action, but not for an assault, they just land unopposed, they don't go in, unless and until the enemy has already been destroyed and/or driven off the beachhead.

Thing is though, you don't need a Marine Corps for that, which is why the Marine Corps has jumped so hard into the airpower aspect, to try to remain relevant.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Attention, everyone. Bullshit has been called. There is a bullshit flag on the field.

[StCapps]

The concepts the Navy is working now, are "Seabasing" and "Ship-to-Shore Connectors", so the ships will sit way offshore, as floating docks, the battle itself will be won with airpower and airmobile forces, then once the battle is won, the Ship-to-Shore Connectors swing into action, but not for an assault, they just land unopposed, they don't go in, unless and until the enemy has already been destroyed and/or driven off the beachhead.

Well the air capabilities can't take out everyone, the battle may have already won by the air power before they land, but mop up duty is still required. Hence there is still a roll for amphibious assault, even in a "Seabasing" and "Ship-to-Shore Connectors" heavy mix strategy, just a significantly scaled back role, but still not obsolete as Grumps suggests.

[SuburbanFarmer]

The concepts the Navy is working now, are "Seabasing" and "Ship-to-Shore Connectors", so the ships will sit way offshore, as floating docks, the battle itself will be won with airpower and airmobile forces, then once the battle is won, the Ship-to-Shore Connectors swing into action, but not for an assault, they just land unopposed, they don't go in, unless and until the enemy has already been destroyed and/or driven off the beachhead.

Well the air capabilities can't take out everyone, the battle may have already won by the air power before they land, but mop up duty is still required. Hence still a roll for amphibious assault, just a significantly scaled back role, still not obsolete, as Grumps suggests.

Simpler to just land at the nearest airbase, and send out a patrol to do that mopping.

[Smitty-48]

Th big fear of the Marine Corps of course, and the fight that is going on right now, is the Army horning in on their action, because the Army is basically saying; "Seabasing and StS Connectors? We can do that, and if the battle is going to be won with an airborne force, we do that better, don't send a bunch of Marines to do a job which XVIII Corps was made to do", to which the Marines have said "but, but, we have F-35B and MV-22B! The Army doesn't have its own airforce, but we do!"

[StCapps]

Simpler to just land at the nearest airbase, and send out a patrol to do that mopping.

That would take longer and result in more lives lost during the task. The marines are closer and can achieve the objective more quickly, with less troops required, compared to your strategy, most of the time. Like I said not obsolete, you just lack imagination. Bringing in more troops via ground or air is not always preferable to bringing them in via water, no matter how much want to believe that this is actually the case when it clearly isn't.

[Smitty-48]

Well the air capabilities can't take out everyone, the battle may have already won by the air power before they land, but mop up duty is still required. Hence there is still a roll for amphibious assault, even in a "Seabasing" and "Ship-to-Shore Connectors" heavy mix strategy, just a significantly scaled back role, but still not obsolete as Grumps suggests.

You're conflating ambhibious assault with an unopposed landing, but it's not the same thing, there is no requirement to assault, just to mop up, and without the requirement to assault an opposed beachhead, the Army can do the mopping up without any Marines required, so obselete is correct, whcih is why the Marine Corps has been turning itself into an air force.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Simpler to just land at the nearest airbase, and send out a patrol to do that mopping.

That would take longer and result in more lives lost during the task. The marines are closer and can achieve the objective more quickly, with less troops required, compared to your strategy, most of the time. Like I said not obsolete, you just lack imagination.

I lack a reason to pay for a 5th branch of the military that's not needed. They'd probably move Cyber Command in there or something, and save some office space. Shit, Smitty's about to talk me out of another one. Why the hell do we need Marines either?

Turn the Pentagon into a Triangle. SAVINGS!!!!

[StCapps]

You're conflating ambhibious assault with an unopposed landing, but it's not the same thing, there is no requirement to assault, just to mop up, and without the requirement to assault an opposed beachhead, the Army can do the mopping up without any Marines required, so obselete is correct, whcih is why the Marine Corps has been turning itself into an air force.

If the area they are mopping is near water or where the marines are closer to the objective, than marines are going to do a better job than the army. Not obsolete, just a scaled back role.

[SuburbanFarmer]

You're conflating ambhibious assault with an unopposed landing, but it's not the same thing, there is no requirement to assault, just to mop up, and without the requirement to assault an opposed beachhead, the Army can do the mopping up without any Marines required, so obselete is correct, whcih is why the Marine Corps has been turning itself into an air force.

If the area they are mopping is near water or where the marines are closer to the objective, than marines are going to do a better job than the army. Not obsolete.

The marines are known for their affinity to water proximity. They fight better in humidity.