And another one bites the dust...

[tue4t]

The men don't even have to be that powerful, for example, when we first had females imposed on us in the military back in 89', the first thing they all did was commence batting their eyelashes at the males, based on the military pecking order of the rank structure, and one by one the females flirted themselves up some military sugar daddies to be their protectors from the pecking order which the males would have to deal with, then, whenever that didn't achieve the desired results, they would play the "harassment" card as their ace in the hole.

The females would cause shit which would get any male pounded into a paste on the spot, but even just telling them to knock it off and quit causing shit, was "harassment".

We lived by a code of honour, which kept everything in check, but the females had no concept of a code of honor, and would use any lever available to them to win at any cost, and they lied through their teeth constantly therein. If any male had played it like that, he would have beaten to a pulp, but the females well knew that they would never have to answer the bell, so they ran amok in the ranks without restraint.

That's crazy interesting. The women didn't look at the males and judge/create their own heirarchy of males, they looked at the hierarchy that the men had already created and used that!

That seems surprising to me about the women having no concept of a code of honour. Was it really that systematic a problem? Was it a problem with selection? My understanding is using any lever available to win is something you do to the enemy, not your own team..

[Martin Hash]

I find that totally valid.

Trump has been harmless so far. It doesn't even look like he'll get his idiot Tax Plan through. Like I said before, most of what Trump does accomplish I like or don't care, and all the things I care about, he fails. As long as that is true, and he pisses off the SJWs, I'm okay with him.

Yeesh, I can't really agree in terms of the judicial nominations and confirmations, and the environmental rollbacks. Grand Staircase Escalante was one of my research sites, that was pretty painful. And depending what happens, the foreign policy issues. Mostly he's been neutered but he is nothing if not persistent and throws red meat to the base wherever he can whether it sucks for the rest of us or not. Also I just think he's been the most divisive person you could even have in that office, which I find sad for the country on a pretty much daily basis.

On a Machiavellian level, women, minorities & weirdos are no longer gaining ground, and yes, Trump stopped that. Since I'm not a member of any of those groups (I am kind of a weirdo), and since power is a zero-sum game, that's a plus for me. You were probably benefiting from the SJW wave, so you regret the loss of forward momentum, which is why we're on opposite sides of the issue. Really, though, SJWs had gone about as far as they could anyway, which is why the sex witchhunts began as a new tactic.

[Smitty-48]

That's crazy interesting. The women didn't look at the males and judge/create their own heirarchy of males, they looked at the hierarchy that the men had already created and used that!

That seems surprising to me about the women having no concept of a code of honour. Was it really that systematic a problem? Was it a problem with selection? My understanding is using any lever available to win is something you do to the enemy, not your own team..

They weren't on the team, they didn't see it that way, they saw it as their personal advancement and advantage uber alles, it was all about them, the team was not something they identified with.

The whole military was based on the male alpha dominance structure, the worst fate of all, was to be seen to have no honor, to not be an alpha, to not be willing to step up and answer the bell, to put yourself above the group, the lowest of the low, we called that a "blade", as in stabbed in the back,

The females didn't have that code, they didn't care about the perception of the males and their place on the team, being a "blade' did not deter them, in fact they embraced being "blades", because they were enabled by the chain of command to do so, so they used it as a weapon, against the team, primarily for them to avoid accountability for their failings, and also to get back at people for perceived slights.

[Speaker to Animals]

The military is a collective embodiment of masculinity. It's based around honor and integrity. Those are not natural female traits. Women have to learn them and they need to learn to stop being manipulative and narcissistic.

Each sex has their faults. Men are aggressive and dominating, for instance. But when women enter the workforce that we created, they demand we stop behaving aggressively around them. It never once occurs to most of them that a lot of the bad traits they bring to the table are disastrous for most organizations. That's what gynocentrism means. It's always about them. Trying to make it about principles is seen by them as hating them.

They can get over it and adapt. The problem has more to do with us facilitating and allowing this behavior. Stop letting them take the spotlight like this. Sexual harassment is done by all of us. We are all evil primates. Neither sex has cornered that market.

It's kind of what blacks are trying to do. BLM is a very feminine movement in that they demand all the attention when, in reality, police shooting unarmed people happens more to whites than blacks. But you can't bring that up or they will accuse you of hating black people. That's a beta mentality, by which I mean that men are adopting typically female tactics and behaviors in an attempt to gain resources, attention, and privileges. It's thoroughly distasteful. It's why I dislike most MRAs too.

Just operate under principles. I am not buying any of Ooky's demands we adopt Salem rules of due process to save the womenfolk. Women are capable of taking care of themselves. Hell, most men are no stronger than women these days anyway.

[Smitty-48]

I've seen many females lie through their teeth about "harassment", in order to avoid accountability for their failings, and totally different females, at totally different times, different units, different years, all over the world, all of them pulling the exact same move and playing the exact same card, in the exact same way, as if it was instinctive, once it was made clear by the chain of command, that this game could be played without any consequences, they all played the game like clockwork.

It was so prevalent, we literally had briefings, where we had to tell the young troops not to put themselves into situations, where they could be played like that, as in, don't deal with them, unless you have witnesses which they could not rely upon to burn you, with a bogus "harassment" complaint.

[Speaker to Animals]

I saw it as well.

But I also saw career female troops who were awesome.

Women can cut it. We raise them to be like this and then we enable it when they are supposed to be adults.

There are some really amazing female pilots too. That story of the woman who was about to sacrifice herself on 9-11 to bring down that airliner is a really good story.

And that's the thing that has me laughing all the time. Most of the men on this forum constantly signal that they think women are less than when it comes to these matters. I constantly tell you guys that they really can make it and do well, that this is all just fucked up cultural behavior problems. Yet because I want to take that spotlight away from women so that they can actually become our equals, they accuse me of hating them.

[Smitty-48]

There was also levels to the female accountability avoidance game, level one was crying, the first thing they try is to milk the sympathy card, but that doesn't work in the military, so once they figured that out, they moved on to level two, which was to cry "harassment", and if that didn't work, they always knew that they had the nuclear option, which was to cry "sexual harassment", because as soon as they said that, all resistance to their blubbering ceased and they got everything they wanted and more.

I mean, sure, the team loathed them and wouldn't have anything to do with them if given a choice, but they didn't care about that, because they didn't care about the team, they were all about themselves, so long as they got their way, they didn't care if they were loathed.

The alpha male code of honor? They're females, why would they care about that? It's no crime where they come from, to be a blade, in fact, that's how they roll, henpecking each other, is the female dominance structure.

[Smitty-48]

And this is not to say that there were no incidences of harassment, there were, but, we males in the chain of command, we didn't have any time for that, we were not like the Hollywood liberals, looking the other way, because any incidences of harassment, added to the problem of females making false claims, so not only did we bring the hammer down on troops who we actually caught doing it, in a legal sense, as in charges, but a lot of times the guys who did that would get the shit beat out of them by an alpha, because harassing a female breaks the alpha male code of honor, that's being a blade.

[Speaker to Animals]

An actual sexual assault on a female could very well end pretty badly for a dude on the way to the chow hall. He better hope they lock him in protective custody for the duration.

The only sexual assaults I ever saw were committed by homosexuals, though.

[Smitty-48]

Yeah, basically, because the military is kind of like jail, if the alphas think that you are actually a rapist or whatever, your life is in peril, that would require protective custody, same as being a thief, or a traitor, it is a treason of sorts. Maybe the females didn't care about the team, but we sure did, and we wouldn't tolerate anything like that on the team, if we had actual evidence and/or witnessed it.

Problem was, so many females throwing so many accusations around, wily nily with no evidence, and often being caught in a lie, you couldn't really be sure what was real and what wasn't, unless you saw it, or an alpha that your trusted testified to the truth of it.

It's like the Al Franken thing, he's obviously play acting, he's clearly just goofing around, he's not actually "grabbing her", and she's wearing body armor, so what could even grab if he wasn't? And if he intended to assault her, why would he do it on camera?

But that gets conflated to "sexual assault" which is equated to "rape", guilty until proven innocent, and that's how it was in the army too, a lot of chickenshit being fabricated into "crime" by accusation alone, and it just renders the whole situation a farce, and so you don't know what to believe, but you certainly don't take an accusers word for granted, or I don't at least.

Moreover, if that's two males in the military, then it's just goofing around, no harm no foul, no guy is going to scream "rape" over somebody being a goof, if women were really equal, then it wouldn't be a problem, the only reason it's a problem, is because they're not equal, they're given special status, and they demand special status, as the group which is able to convict on accusation alone, guilty until proven innocent, so they are undermining their own "equality" case in the process.