LET'S BAN GUNS!

[Speaker to Animals]

It's that cowardly peasant mentality that makes me want to disarm and disenfranchise you. I am exactly that kind of dude who would have made a peasant out of you in the fifth century.

You are already there in spirit. The rest of this your crabs in the bucket mentality demanding that everybody else debase themselves along with you.

I would rather give you most of what you want. No votes. No guns. Let the grown men deal with the scary stuff so you can continue producing and consuming for the greater good.

[Smitty-48]

We don’t have self-governance. We gave that up to fight WW2. Your small arms became obsolete 30 years ago. You cannot #resist anything bigger than the local police force. Forget it. Not happening, unless you want to stage a full-on Civil War, which would be fought by the fucking army anyway, and you’d be too busy looking for food to even help.

You are regularly invaded, probed, and detained by the government already. If your parents didn’t #resist, then it’s too fucking late now. Drop this insane fantasy.

That's not how it works tho, the way it works, is that the whole state takes up arms against the tyranny as one, and in the event of, the local police force would be with the Well Regulated Militia, the Militia is not a federal militia, they are State Militia's, the whole 2nd Amendment defense against tyranny model, assumes that the States would rallly against the repressive central authority.

When the bow breaks and the states are pushed over the edge, Boss Hog and Roscoe take up arms with the Duke boys, against the foreign devil's invading Hazzard County.

And really, the automatic rifles are just to hold the line, keep you from being taken down quickly, it wouldn't take the Well Regulated Militia long, before they had seized all the armories and heavy weapons in the state, to inlcude the Abrams and Bradley's and M777 Howitzers and whatnot, in somes states, they'd have the nuclear weapons too.

This has happened in other countries, namely the Soviet Union, for awhile there, Ukraine was the third largest nuclear power on earth, how many nuclear weapons are there at Whiteman AFB in Missouri? That's classified, but I bet it's enough to fight World War Three in a pinch.

There would be a number of US states which would be nuclear superpowers right out of the gate, the moment their Well Regulated Militia's seized control.

What? There could be some dissidents in state that didn't want to go along with the Well Regulated Militia?The Loyalists, as it were?
BLAM! Problem solved, democracy in action.

[Fife]

We don’t have self-governance. We gave that up to fight WW2. Your small arms became obsolete 30 years ago. You cannot #resist anything bigger than the local police force. Forget it. Not happening, unless you want to stage a full-on Civil War, which would be fought by the fucking army anyway, and you’d be too busy looking for food to even help.

You are regularly invaded, probed, and detained by the government already. If your parents didn’t #resist, then it’s too fucking late now. Drop this insane fantasy.

[Okeefenokee]

I’m not interested in a full repeal of the amendment. It does need to be redefined though, since we don’t have a fucking militia.

Either allow all military hardware to civilians, and watch the carnage, or define whatever you want to, to take away crowd-killing weapons. I don’t care what the definition is, since we always get dragged back into semantics and claims of expertise.

Should the Vegas shooter have had access to an RPG for freedom? Why not an M1 Abrams? Why is one weapon acceptable, and not another?

The reason is crowd-killing ability. Just be consistent, at the minimum. Sell all of your crazy shit to civilians, or leave only the hunting gear. This current half-ass reaction cycle is infuriating.

viewtopic.php?f=66&t=1267&p=2721&hilit=Heller#p2717

See Paragraph 2...

2. Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court's opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller's holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those "in common use at the time" finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54-56.

See, again though, they refuse to define wtf they're talking about. What, exactly, is a "dangerous and unusual" weapon?? Weapons aren't, by definition, dangerous?

Paragraph 1.b.

1. The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2-53.

(a) The Amendment's prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause. The operative clause's text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms. Pp. 2-22.

(b) The prefatory clause comports with the Court's interpretation of the operative clause. The "militia" comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. The Antifederalists feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in order to disable this citizens' militia, enabling a politicized standing army or a select militia to rule. The response was to deny Congress power to abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear arms, so that the ideal of a citizens' militia would be preserved. Pp. 22-28.

[Okeefenokee]

... instead, I posted the restrictions placed on those other items, after they were used in attacks. If anything, guns are specially-privileged weapons of destruction. They aren't a special target, they're the most protected thing that's ever been used to kill a crowd of people.

Guns are tools, only those that think they are weapons are uneducated.

Name one other use for a firearm, than killing something.

Lighting matches.

[Smitty-48]

Yeah, that's what the National Guard is, the "select militia", so when liberals say "the National Guard is the militia", that's not the Well Regulated Militia as per the 2nd.

[Okeefenokee]

We don’t have self-governance. We gave that up to fight WW2. Your small arms became obsolete 30 years ago. You cannot #resist anything bigger than the local police force. Forget it. Not happening, unless you want to stage a full-on Civil War, which would be fought by the fucking army anyway, and you’d be too busy looking for food to even help.

You are regularly invaded, probed, and detained by the government already. If your parents didn’t #resist, then it’s too fucking late now. Drop this insane fantasy.

The thing is, you damn tard, half of us have traveled to places around the world that actually resemble this nonsense idea you are trying to prop up as reality in America.

Funny part is, we took guns with us when we went and set to straightening shit out, while all the disarmed locals looked on, helpless to participate, but sure glad someone had shown up to take the heat off them.

You sound no different than some 18 year old college freshman shooting his mouth off about all the shit he doesn't know about the world, and why he's voting for an outsider, Bernie Sanders.

[SuburbanFarmer]

viewtopic.php?f=66&t=1267&p=2721&hilit=Heller#p2717

See Paragraph 2...

2. Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court's opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller's holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those "in common use at the time" finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54-56.

See, again though, they refuse to define wtf they're talking about. What, exactly, is a "dangerous and unusual" weapon?? Weapons aren't, by definition, dangerous?

Paragraph 1.b.

1. The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2-53.

(a) The Amendment's prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause. The operative clause's text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms. Pp. 2-22.

(b) The prefatory clause comports with the Court's interpretation of the operative clause. The "militia" comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. The Antifederalists feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in order to disable this citizens' militia, enabling a politicized standing army or a select militia to rule. The response was to deny Congress power to abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear arms, so that the ideal of a citizens' militia would be preserved. Pp. 22-28.

Yeah, that whole “common defense” part stands out.

[SuburbanFarmer]

We don’t have self-governance. We gave that up to fight WW2. Your small arms became obsolete 30 years ago. You cannot #resist anything bigger than the local police force. Forget it. Not happening, unless you want to stage a full-on Civil War, which would be fought by the fucking army anyway, and you’d be too busy looking for food to even help.

You are regularly invaded, probed, and detained by the government already. If your parents didn’t #resist, then it’s too fucking late now. Drop this insane fantasy.

The thing is, you damn tard, half of us have traveled to places around the world that actually resemble this nonsense idea you are trying to prop up as reality in America.

Funny part is, we took guns with us when we went and set to straightening shit out, while all the disarmed locals looked on, helpless to participate, but sure glad someone had shown up to take the heat off them.

You sound no different than some 18 year old college freshman shooting his mouth off about all the shit he doesn't know about the world, and why he's voting for an outsider, Bernie Sanders.

We haven’t “straightened anything out” since WW2.

[SuburbanFarmer]

We don’t have self-governance. We gave that up to fight WW2. Your small arms became obsolete 30 years ago. You cannot #resist anything bigger than the local police force. Forget it. Not happening, unless you want to stage a full-on Civil War, which would be fought by the fucking army anyway, and you’d be too busy looking for food to even help.

You are regularly invaded, probed, and detained by the government already. If your parents didn’t #resist, then it’s too fucking late now. Drop this insane fantasy.

That's not how it works tho, the way it works, is that the whole state takes up arms against the tyranny as one, and in the event of, the local police force would be with the Well Regulated Militia, the Militia is not a federal militia, they are State Militia's, the whole 2nd Amendment defense against tyranny model, assumes that the States would rallly against the repressive central authority.

When the bow breaks and the states are pushed over the edge, Boss Hog and Roscoe take up arms with the Duke boys, against the foreign devil's invading Hazzard County.

And really, the automatic rifles are just to hold the line, keep you from being taken down quickly, it wouldn't take the Well Regulated Militia long, before they had seized all the armories and heavy weapons in the state, to inlcude the Abrams and Bradley's and M777 Howitzers and whatnot, in somes states, they'd have the nuclear weapons too.

This has happened in other countries, namely the Soviet Union, for awhile there, Ukraine was the third largest nuclear power on earth, how many nuclear weapons are there at Whiteman AFB in Missouri? That's classified, but I bet it's enough to fight World War Three in a pinch.

There would be a number of US states which would be nuclear superpowers right out of the gate, the moment their Well Regulated Militia's seized control.

What? There could be some dissidents in state that didn't want to go along with the Well Regulated Militia?The Loyalists, as it were?
BLAM! Problem solved, democracy in action.

That’s the fantasy, sure. And what makes you think that everybody’s on board? You’d be fighting your neighbors. The 2 parties have spent a century dividing us exactly to prevent any sort of overt resistance to anything.

You can’t form a militia of like-minded neighbors because the rest of the neighbors are working against you. You can’t even form a voting bloc.

The only way you get that kind of consensus is if the US government goes full Soviet/fascist death squads across the country. And even they aren’t that stupid.