THE ERA OF TRUMP

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Dand » Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:31 am

Penner wrote:
de officiis wrote:

Pres. Trump tells the press that the American people would appreciate some truthful reporting for a change. Sad that it's come to this, but I'm glad he talked about it.
The part that I saw was the part where Trump says that the media is all fake news but the leaks are real- so it seems to me a bit of cognitive dissonance is going on here.

Overall, in my opinion, it didn't seem like a very elegant press conference, on Trump's part, at all.
You'll have a different perspective if you see the whole conference. Trump was having a good time throughout.

As for the leaks being real but the news being fake, truth can be misrepresented. Flynn talked to the Russian ambassador, yes. He also talked to ambassadors from other countries though and no one is bringing charges against him for what he said. There is no evidence that he broke the law. The media's reporting on this whole thing has implied things that are not true (or are unprovable tin foil hat theory) and left out information that would have provided a fuller understanding.

This "the leaks are real but the news is fake" meme is going to be annoying if it sticks around because we all know that you can mislead without explicitly lying.

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by The Conservative » Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:44 am

Penner wrote:
de officiis wrote:

Pres. Trump tells the press that the American people would appreciate some truthful reporting for a change. Sad that it's come to this, but I'm glad he talked about it.
The part that I saw was the part where Trump says that the media is all fake news but the leaks are real- so it seems to me a bit of cognitive dissonance is going on here.

Overall, in my opinion, it didn't seem like a very elegant press conference, on Trump's part, at all.
Seriously? The leaks are real, and you have an issue with that?

People are breaking NDA, as well as federal laws leaking information to the press. That is what he is saying, and the problem with leaking information is not all the information given is accurate. Of course, the media runs with it without worry because, hell, it's news and it makes Trump look bad.

He wants to shut that spigot down, and I can't blame him for it at all. I'd be doing the same thing, except for being the 20th thing on my list, that would be the first or second.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by C-Mag » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:04 pm

Here's a good article about Rex Tillerson who is reportedly taking on a wing of the Shadow Government at the State Department.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/20 ... ore-128822

It's from a web site that supports Trump. I view the attempt to take down the Shadow Government as a good thing. But I don't expect these people to go easily.
Secretary Rex Tillerson is tasked with taking the corrupt and rotting vehicle down to the frame and cutting out the cancerous rust.  This is yet another epic battle with ZERO Washington DC supporters as Trump and T-Rex endeavor through the restoration phase.
We shall now see if the UniParty (Democrat and Republican) will try to impede such an effort:
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Okeefenokee » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:37 pm

de officiis wrote:I laughed at the part where he called himself a politician as if he'd never thought of himself that way before.

Trump got one thing right: he's inherited a deeply divided nation. He didn't create it; it's been a long time building up; and Obama--and frankly, the Republicans, too, during his tenure--did nothing to try to reverse the trend. So now we have a pay-back-minded Democratic party and a leftist press who are hell-bent to oppose Trump, and stop his Administration at any cost. And for what? So we can return to the status quo ante? Where has that gotten us over the last 20 years? So we can maintain a shitty relationship with Russia? So we can let the folks in Congress cater to monied interests, sign f-'d up trade deals and continue to outsource our jobs? So the middle class can continue to dwindle until at last we have the 1% and the rest of us living at or below the poverty line? That's why I really don't like this mindless attitude of the Left right now. They're just not interested in stepping back, trying to look at the country from 20,000 feet, and set their minds and hearts to doing what's best for the country. Say what you want about Donald Trump, he's clearly a guy who loves our country and wants to improve things and extricate us from this hole we've dug for ourselves. He's a blunt tool, but frankly, in case anyone hasn't noticed, he's the only tool John Q. Public has in the drawer right now. So thank God he's in the White House, and let's do what we can to support him, help him make the right decisions, and hope we can get this country back on course.
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Post by Okeefenokee » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:47 pm

The Conservative wrote:
Penner wrote:
de officiis wrote:

Pres. Trump tells the press that the American people would appreciate some truthful reporting for a change. Sad that it's come to this, but I'm glad he talked about it.
The part that I saw was the part where Trump says that the media is all fake news but the leaks are real- so it seems to me a bit of cognitive dissonance is going on here.

Overall, in my opinion, it didn't seem like a very elegant press conference, on Trump's part, at all.
Seriously? The leaks are real, and you have an issue with that?

People are breaking NDA, as well as federal laws leaking information to the press. That is what he is saying, and the problem with leaking information is not all the information given is accurate. Of course, the media runs with it without worry because, hell, it's news and it makes Trump look bad.

He wants to shut that spigot down, and I can't blame him for it at all. I'd be doing the same thing, except for being the 20th thing on my list, that would be the first or second.
Just off the top off of my head, and totally spitballing with nothing to back it up, but Flynn getting kicked off the reservation might have been intentional. If he's really the guy that works in the shadows, why be official? Flynn is in the shadows now. He's not official. How many FOIA requests are gonna be processed against someone who isn't inside? For all we know, Flynn is gone, and will never return. Stand up, hook up, shuffle to the door. Meanwhile, Flynn gets to operate in the dark as a non-entity. Just a theory. No knowledge of anything. Just thinking.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:15 am

I don't think so, I think it was Pence, I don't think he coud stand Flynn, he was just lying in wait for Flynn to get caught in a jackpot so Pence could convince the Donald to get rid of him.
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Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:22 am

There may be another factor as well, Flynn might have been getting too big for his britches, strutting around like he was cock o' the walk, the Donald doesn't like to be upstaged, might have just felt like Flynn was starting to take up more oxygen than the Donald would like, PNSA is actually a joe job, Flynn was getting way more face time than somebody normally would in that position.

PNSA's should remain in the background, speak only when spoken too, Flynn was walking around like he was in some sort of executive position, could have rubbed the boss the wrong way.
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Post by ssu » Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:34 am

Smitty-48 wrote:Yeah, Herr Trumpler needs to jettison the Sturmabteilung, or nobody in the Deep State is going to want to work for him, because nobody in the Reichswehr und SS, wants to be reporting to Breitbart.com.

And if he doesn't disavow the Russians, he'll be fighting the Neocon caucus in his own ranks for the rest of the term.

To me, it's a no brainer, I mean, it's the economy stupid, just toss this ideological stuff under the bus and focus on bread and butter, because bread and butter is the only path to reelection in 2020, swing voters don't care if the US is confrontational with Russia, buddying up to Russia is a lose-lose.

I don't see the point in taking hits for the Kremlin, that does nothing for him, particularly when there's no there there, the Siloviki in the Kremlin cannot be contained by negotiation, they ain't gonna do shit for Trump, doesn't matter what "deals" he supposedly makes with them, making deals with Putin is a fools errand.

Putin has his own entrenched interests to deal with, and Putin's entrenched interests; need America as an adversary, so just move on with this trying to have kumbaya with the Kremlin, it's a dead end.

The Kremlin wants Cold War 2.0, the Kremlin needs Cold War 2.0, the Kremlin is not giving up Cold War 2.0 under any circumstances, Cold War 2.0 is not just an entrenched interest for them, it is a critical interest for them, whatever "detente" deal you make with them, they will have to come up with some reason to break the deal, by accusing America of breaking it of course, so quit wasting your time, it's not worth the headaches.
At least Mattis and Pence are calming Europeans. And the message has gone through, countries are arming themselves. The possibility of war isn't totally hypothetical, only improbable. That actually is a change.

But the reality is that this Kumbayah-stance with Russia simply is more dangerous than the ordinary stance, because it creates an atmosphere that perhaps the US would be OK if Russia does his next move in gaining back the Soviet Union. Russia knows that this honeymoon won't last, so use it to the full. Sooner or later this has to change. Already not only the American UN ambassador of Trump, but Trump himself has said that Crimea has been occupied. Here the only possible loose cannon is Trump himself, because Mattis & Pence etc. are quite consistent in their views. Trump of course isn't, can say a lot of things, but that's Trump.

Yeah, Bannon might have this ideological view of getting Russia to team up to face the Muslim threat or whatever, but that actually is quite silly.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by ssu » Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:47 am

Okeefenokee wrote:Just off the top off of my head, and totally spitballing with nothing to back it up, but Flynn getting kicked off the reservation might have been intentional. If he's really the guy that works in the shadows, why be official? Flynn is in the shadows now. He's not official. How many FOIA requests are gonna be processed against someone who isn't inside? For all we know, Flynn is gone, and will never return. Stand up, hook up, shuffle to the door. Meanwhile, Flynn gets to operate in the dark as a non-entity. Just a theory. No knowledge of anything. Just thinking.
Well, Trump might do something as stupid. Now how would it look?

Some told that about Manafort, that he was still in the picture. And if I recollect, he never actually was fired, he was given a new position.

Your the boss and you fire someone, but then you continue working with him. Pretty confusing and basically in this scenario Trump would look extremely weak. He hasn't the balls to stand with Flynn, but then still uses him.

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by TheReal_ND » Sat Feb 18, 2017 7:47 am

You fucking faggots have a whole thread dedicated to Pence/Flynn conspiracy theories. Please keep it there.