Europe, Boring Until it's Not

[BjornP]

The video seemed to show a farmer chasing a wolf rather than the other way round. Then the brother shooting it as it was leaving. Whatever reason they shot it I don't think it was because the farmer was in danger.
Are they a protected species in Denmark?

Can't see what's not recorded, may have been trying to get into the cabin at some earlier point or something... but yeah, that video hasn't done the other farmers' arguing for better laws to protect their livestock, any favors. The wolf enthusiasts filming it speculate about the tractor driver being a "wolf-hater" when speeds up and chases the wolf.

Been trying to understand the laws, and it looks like it's really the EU that's made wolves in the EU a protected species - and thus our wolves, as well. Also turns out that farmers can't even shoot wolves if they approach livestock. The wolves have to have attacked the livestock "systematically", before approval for shooting it can be granted (by the Danish authorities, not the EU... that would take decades, after all). At least if the farmer loses an animal to wolf attack, he'll get a full refund from lost profits by the authorities. Looks like there was a farmer who's lost 17 sheep since the wolves started to show up less than a decade ago. But he also has to prove it's the same wolf, if he wants something to be done with it. Then he can get funding for better fencing... then lose some more sheep... and THEN get permission to shoot the damn wolf. At least he gets to do it himself.

Animal rights groups have a stupidly big amount of lobbying power in the halls of the Eurocrats.

Seriously, farmers have more legal right to shoot an attacking dog as long as he's warned the dog's owner once previously.

[BjornP]

This is what Idaho is dealing with now:

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2018/j ... next-y/#/0


In the 90s, there were zero wolves and no wolf problems. Liberals said they'd not become a problem.

Good thing nobody is holding out hope for liberals admitting they were wrong.

Hmm, "problem pack" and "problem wolf" is the excat term government uses for those wolves it's allowed to kill. Guess they borrowed that term from your side of the Atlantic.

In any case, at least our farmers (with hunting licenses and legal gun ownership), get to shoot the wolves themselves - when it's gets the "problem wolf" stamp. Not that many contractors needed, I think.

[nmoore63]

Wolves are not a huge problem.

[Speaker to Animals]

Search "Idaho Wolf Attack" and you will find a few attacks in just one relatively sparsely populated state that had zero wolves twenty years ago.

Consider what will happen when wolves attack the typically unarmed Euro..

[nmoore63]

Search "Idaho Wolf Attack" and you will find a few attacks in just one relatively sparsely populated state that had zero wolves twenty years ago.

Consider what will happen when wolves attack the typically unarmed Euro..

I agree that there were no wolf attacks before.
I disagree that the reintroduction is a serious problem.

Elk herd health are struggling significantly due to lack of Wolf predation taking out the weak.

I would imagine the euro population is facing similar struggles.

[C-Mag]

Search "Idaho Wolf Attack" and you will find a few attacks in just one relatively sparsely populated state that had zero wolves twenty years ago.

Consider what will happen when wolves attack the typically unarmed Euro..

I agree that there were no wolf attacks before.
I disagree that the reintroduction is a serious problem.

Elk herd health are struggling significantly due to lack of Wolf predation taking out the weak.

I would imagine the euro population is facing similar struggles.

[C-Mag]

Two Wolves Kill 176 Sheep in One Night Near Idaho Falls
https://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/newsh ... daho-falls


Elk Populations in the Northern Yellowstone Elk Herd

Year Elk Population*
1994 19,045 (year before wolf reintroduction)
1995 16,791 (reintroduction began)
1996 no count taken
1997 no count taken
1998 11,742
1999 14,538 (prior to late season elk hunt)
2000 13, 400 (prior to late season elk hunt)
2001 11,969
2002-03 9,215
2004 8,335
2005 9,545
2006 6,588
2007 6,738
2008 6,279
2009 6,070
2010 4,635
2011 4,174
2012 3,915
(*via U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service)
https://rmefblog.blogspot.com/2013/06/g ... s.html?m=1



State and federal officials killed 20 wolves in Idaho's remote Lolo zone.......................

The Lolo elk herd has been in decline for about two decades. In 1989, the area had an estimated elk population that exceeded 16,000. It is now estimated to be less than 1,000.
http://lmtribune.com/northwest/official ... 0f125.html

[nmoore63]

I’m not sure the point you are making relative to mine.
Mine was relative to the Washington herds that don’t over lap with wolves.

[C-Mag]

I’m not sure the point you are making relative to mine.
Mine was relative to the Washington herds that don’t over lap with wolves.

My point is caution on wolves, they're having a huge environmental impact in the West

[nmoore63]

I’m not sure the point you are making relative to mine.
Mine was relative to the Washington herds that don’t over lap with wolves.

My point is caution on wolves, they're having a huge environmental impact in the West

Certainly.

We have prevented wolf culling of the betas.
While we kill the alphas.

Some of these elk herds may not be save able.

That being said “Huge problem, government spends $400,000” is joke. That’s a rounding error