Child killing poll

[Martin Hash]

You are a child. Shoot your gun, mutterfukker.

Sad way to get ejected after your strike out.

Not bad.

[doc_loliday]

So with 10 seconds of Googling I found that the child’s doctor, the one not allowing him to leave, is one of the world’s specialists in this condition. I know that accomplishments, degrees, and licenses mean nothing to this crowd, you’re all fucking experts.

Dude, you shit on experts all the time when you disagree with them, but hold them up high when it suits you. Just make your argument.

[doc_loliday]

Wait a minute, something's amiss here. This kid hasn't died yet.

Alfie Evans is not ‘dying’ or ‘brain-dead,’ he’s been misdiagnosed: Polish doctor

How dare anyone second-guess the panel.

It is interesting to me that when it comes to the death penalty, its all "there's no reversing such a penalty, so we should err on the side of caution." That's cool, I can get behind that. But when it comes to some kid on life support, its all "pull the plug on the little bastard". Oh or how about, "conservatives only care about the lives of the unborn, afterwards they don't give a shit". Curious business.

[SuburbanFarmer]

I wonder if they can ask for asylum at the Italian embassy...

[clubgop]

I wonder if they can ask for asylum at the Italian embassy...

The kid is under armed guard. This is crazy level shit. The land of Monty has gone full on mental. People are getting arrested for butter knives, flipping off surveillance cameras, and seig heiling pugs. You want to talk about speed traps try police monitoring social media for mean things. You think the US is societal collapse? Bitch, pay attention to what is happening in the UK.

[BjornP]

So with 10 seconds of Googling I found that the child’s doctor, the one not allowing him to leave, is one of the world’s specialists in this condition. I know that accomplishments, degrees, and licenses mean nothing to this crowd, you’re all fucking experts.

To be fair, it's not so much the medical side of things some people here can't understand, it's the legal status of the child vs that of the child's parents. In the UK the legal rights of children are closer in level and status to that of their parents than it would be in the States. Not equal to the legal status of their parents' citizen rights, but still, closer. Close enough that, in rare cases like this, the court intervenes to protect the legal rights of the child OVER that of the- what some here think is the natural - right of parents to have an absolute right to decide what's best for their children. They are interpreting the courts putting the child and the family on more legally equal footing, as "Statism", Fascism, and other ways of saying "too much government".

They aren't able to understand that when you make someone more equal under the law, that someone also gains a more equal protection under the law. "Even" in the US, your status as a citizen warrants you the protection of the legal system. Yet how many of them object to protection and guarentees of their civil rights by their American legal system as "Statism"?

[nmoore63]

So with 10 seconds of Googling I found that the child’s doctor, the one not allowing him to leave, is one of the world’s specialists in this condition. I know that accomplishments, degrees, and licenses mean nothing to this crowd, you’re all fucking experts.

To be fair, it's not so much the medical side of things some people here can't understand, it's the legal status of the child vs that of the child's parents. In the UK the legal rights of children are closer in level and status to that of their parents than it would be in the States. Not equal to the legal status of their parents' citizen rights, but still, closer. Close enough that, in rare cases like this, the court intervenes to protect the legal rights of the child OVER that of the- what some here think is the natural - right of parents to have an absolute right to decide what's best for their children. They are interpreting the courts putting the child and the family on more legally equal footing, as "Statism", Fascism, and other ways of saying "too much government".

They aren't able to understand that when you make someone more equal under the law, that someone also gains a more equal protection under the law. "Even" in the US, your status as a citizen warrants you the protection of the legal system. Yet how many of them object to protection and guarentees of their civil rights by their American legal system as "Statism"?

It’s not that I don’t get it Bjorn, it’s that I think It’s a crazy ethic.

In order for the parents to over ride what the state wants to do to their child THE PARENTS have the burden to prove it’s a benefit to the child.

That’s crazy town. The STATE should have the burden to prove it’s a detriment to the child.

Normal = state proves action causes child -1
Crazy = parents prove action causes child +1

[Montegriffo]

I assume he can "flee" if someone else is willing to pay for it. Maybe you?

The Pope has a jet on standby and the Italian hospital is willing to cover the health expenses.

The British government decided it would rather kill him than let him go to a different country to seek treatment.

There is no treatment. You keep ignoring this fact. All the Vatican was offering was continued life support with no chance of improvement to his condition or quality of life.
Prolonged existence as a zombie teddy bear has been ruled not in the childs interest.

[BjornP]

It’s not that I don’t get it Bjorn, it’s that I think It’s a crazy ethic.

In order for the parents to over ride what the state wants to do to their child THE PARENTS have the burden to prove it’s a benefit to the child.

That’s crazy town. The STATE should have the burden to prove it’s a detriment to the child.

Normal = state proves action causes child -1
Crazy = parents prove action causes child +1

And they went to court (or "State", if you like) to prove just that. Court sided in the hospital's favor after hearing evidence. So, the burden of proof is still on the NHS hospital to prove that they should get to decide ceasing life support, just as you - or myself for that matter - would prefer.

[Ex-California]

I assume he can "flee" if someone else is willing to pay for it. Maybe you?

The Pope has a jet on standby and the Italian hospital is willing to cover the health expenses.

The British government decided it would rather kill him than let him go to a different country to seek treatment.

There is no treatment. You keep ignoring this fact. All the Vatican was offering was continued life support with no chance of improvement to his condition or quality of life.
Prolonged existence as a zombie teddy bear has been ruled not in the childs interest.

Who's child is it? The crown or the parents?