Need Advice - firing someone

[Viktorthepirate]

My last comment on this will be the one mutterfukker I SHOULD have fired, the back-stabbing, thieving SOB. Otherwise he was a fucking Boy Scout: no drinking, no smoking, no cussing. Yet he cheated on his wife and betrayed me. Worst part, I knew it was coming. If you know it’s coming, don’t just fire him, put a hit out on his ass.

That’s what I’m thinking.

[Smitty-48]

For a million dollahs a year in my pocket, fucktons of money and retire to the West Indies? I'd chop somebodies head off with an entrenching tool, so long as it didn't violate my oath to my Commander-in-Chief.

[Viktorthepirate]

For a million dollahs a year in my pocket, fucktons of money and retire to the West Indies? I'd chop somebodies head off with an entrenching tool, so long as it didn't violate my oath to my Commander-in-Chief.

He doesn’t have equity, I do. Thus he is not invested in the company beyond his paycheck. Which is totally understandable.

But he has as much power to fuck us as I do. Well not exactly but pretty close.

I’ll never walk out the door and fuck the company because I have a rational incentive not to. He does not.

Thus I can only rely on trust.

What I’ve always said about people is this. Everyone has a price, you just need to decide how expensive you are. I’ve lived my life as someone only Jeff Bezos can afford. Even when I had no equity. Someone who will fuck me over such a pittance is probably much cheaper than that. It’s all trust and I have none for him.

[K@th]

Someone who will fuck me over such a pittance is probably much cheaper than that. It’s all trust and I have none for him.

Go with that. While in an unpaid and undesired position, your integrity can be challenged, even if you take one for the team. If someone is willing to fuck you over for free, then they are certainly willing to do so for a few K.

[Smitty-48]

For a million dollahs a year in my pocket, fucktons of money and retire to the West Indies? I'd chop somebodies head off with an entrenching tool, so long as it didn't violate my oath to my Commander-in-Chief.

He doesn’t have equity, I do. Thus he is not invested in the company beyond his paycheck. Which is totally understandable.

But he has as much power to fuck us as I do. Well not exactly but pretty close.

I’ll never walk out the door and fuck the company because I have a rational incentive not to. He does not.

Thus I can only rely on trust.

What I’ve always said about people is this. Everyone has a price, you just need to decide how expensive you are. I’ve lived my life as someone only Jeff Bezos can afford. Even when I had no equity. Someone who will fuck me over such a pittance is probably much cheaper than that. It’s all trust and I have none for him.

Well, like I said, you call your own plays, but it wouldn't take Bezos money to get me to chop a head off with an entrenching tool, it's not about the amount, it's about the end state, if I'm retired in the West Indies with fucktons of money, what does it matter if it's ten million or ten billion?

[Viktorthepirate]

Someone who will fuck me over such a pittance is probably much cheaper than that. It’s all trust and I have none for him.

Go with that. While in an unpaid and undesired position, your integrity can be challenged, even if you take one for the team. If someone is willing to fuck you over for free, then they are certainly willing to do so for a few K.

Thanks for the advice Kath.

[Viktorthepirate]

For a million dollahs a year in my pocket, fucktons of money and retire to the West Indies? I'd chop somebodies head off with an entrenching tool, so long as it didn't violate my oath to my Commander-in-Chief.

He doesn’t have equity, I do. Thus he is not invested in the company beyond his paycheck. Which is totally understandable.

But he has as much power to fuck us as I do. Well not exactly but pretty close.

I’ll never walk out the door and fuck the company because I have a rational incentive not to. He does not.

Thus I can only rely on trust.

What I’ve always said about people is this. Everyone has a price, you just need to decide how expensive you are. I’ve lived my life as someone only Jeff Bezos can afford. Even when I had no equity. Someone who will fuck me over such a pittance is probably much cheaper than that. It’s all trust and I have none for him.

Well, like I said, you call your own plays, but it wouldn't take Bezos money to get me to chop a head off with an entrenching tool, it's not about the amount, it's about the end state, if I'm retired in the West Indies with fucktons of money, what does it matter if it's ten million or ten billion?

I’m worried he will compromise the endstate. I can reach my endstate with a bunch of average guys. A superstar just gets me more money.

I want the end state, like you said, 10 million or 10 billion, I’m still retired lol. But if he fucks us, I’ll have a lot less than I should, and probably not enough to retire.

My equity stake is low lol. Ill get enough to retire in the third world but not the US. I’m cool with that. I’m done with this shit.

[Smitty-48]

He doesn’t have equity, I do. Thus he is not invested in the company beyond his paycheck. Which is totally understandable.

But he has as much power to fuck us as I do. Well not exactly but pretty close.

I’ll never walk out the door and fuck the company because I have a rational incentive not to. He does not.

Thus I can only rely on trust.

What I’ve always said about people is this. Everyone has a price, you just need to decide how expensive you are. I’ve lived my life as someone only Jeff Bezos can afford. Even when I had no equity. Someone who will fuck me over such a pittance is probably much cheaper than that. It’s all trust and I have none for him.

Well, like I said, you call your own plays, but it wouldn't take Bezos money to get me to chop a head off with an entrenching tool, it's not about the amount, it's about the end state, if I'm retired in the West Indies with fucktons of money, what does it matter if it's ten million or ten billion?

I’m worried he will compromise the endstate. I can reach my endstate with a bunch of average guys. A superstar just gets me more money.

I want the end state, like you said, 10 million or 10 billion, I’m still retired lol. But if he fucks us, I’ll have a lot less than I should, and probably not enough to retire.

My equity stake is low lol. Ill get enough to retire in the third world but not the US. I’m cool with that. I’m done with this shit.

Yeah, but at a million a year for X number of years, he would really have to dine out on a lotta hookers n' blow to have fucked you, what is the scenario you fear, where he fucks you? Fucks you how and for how much? Fucks you with cash or fucks you with criminal indictments?

[Smitty-48]

Like how much access to the cash flow does this guy have? He's dropping a million a year in the kitty, how much could he withdraw if he was fucking you?

There's fuckin' you and then there's fuckin' you, a lotta hookers n' blow, or brings the whole company down and runs off with the proceeds?

[MilSpecs]

Why don't you automate what you can so it doesn't go through the card and put a relatively small limit on the card to up the accountability? For example, my husband (the rainmaker in his region) has many of his expenses automated - the car, service, gas, insurance, etc. is paid directly by the company. The company holds the boxes at the sports stadiums so he doesn't have to expense them, other than golf because they don't have membership at a club. He has to expense golf. His card is for wining and dining, but it would be quite visible if he started using it for anything other than taking people out to eat and parking. I would consider the current situation in your company the result of an inefficient cost control system rather than the employees moral failing. These guys feel entitled so the system needs to keep them in check, and you need to recognize that they may not be out to rob you blind - it may just be that sense of entitlement that needs to be managed.

What you say makes perfect sense.

But his illegitimate spending is not tied to a misunderstanding and he admitted that.

It’s not like he spent $500 on a customer dinner and I’m questioning that.

He spent 5k on stuff that is without a doubt, no questions asked, illegitimate.and the only excuse he offers is he mistook his personal card for a company card.... than why am I not seeing you spend $50 on accident at the grocery store? Why is it always $300+ At luxury places?

I understand where your concern is coming from, but I'm going to focus on the practical. If you have a 5 year plan to retirement, is it likely that he'll take off before then? If you don't think so, is it worth pushing him out? That could take your plan significantly further out. If you weight the importance of retiring in 5 years vs. the chance of him leaving with a chunk of your business, that may help with the decision.

Also, "mistaking the personal card for a company card": that is not even a good lie on his part. Never happened in over 30 years here. It's unusual for cards to look alike even if they are from the issuer, since corporate cards don't look like personal ones. Even if we were suddenly struck colorblind, I'd notice if $5000 didn't shown up on my personal card.

Last thing I was wondering: are you saying he racks up $5000 in expenses a month on a $2.5 million budget or am I misreading that?