The Plague Ward

[Speaker to Animals]

That is a rare mutation, CCR5-delta 32 , and, no I don't think that a third of white people have it. Instead it's like 10% of all white people AND I believe in order to get it you have to have both parents carrying it as well.

It used to be most of us, but after the Black Death disappeared, nothing selects for it. It's about 30%, depending upon the population, and yeah, it's mainly a European mutation, though it's possible the mutation can work its way into other races (but without some selective pressure in the environment, that's pretty unlikely).

Today this mutation is found people from Scandvania and Russia because (and this is still a theory) the plagued lingered in those places until the 19th century.

That would be interesting. The last book I read on it, which argued the Black Death was in fact a virus, said the last outbreak was in Britain in the 1600s. But by the last outbreak, Smallpox already replaced it as the big killer.

It comes out of the Levant. First suspect outbreak in Europe was the Athenian plague during the Spartan siege. They relied on shipping to get supplies into the city, and I guess they were trading with the Levant for grains. Next hit was the Antonine Plague. Roman soldiers brought it back from campaigns in the Levant. Plague of Justinian was the third suspected outbreak. Always from contact with the Levant.

[Penner]

It used to be most of us, but after the Black Death disappeared, nothing selects for it. It's about 30%, depending upon the population, and yeah, it's mainly a European mutation, though it's possible the mutation can work its way into other races (but without some selective pressure in the environment, that's pretty unlikely).

Today this mutation is found people from Scandvania and Russia because (and this is still a theory) the plagued lingered in those places until the 19th century.

That would be interesting. The last book I read on it, which argued the Black Death was in fact a virus, said the last outbreak was in Britain in the 1600s. But by the last outbreak, Smallpox already replaced it as the big killer.

Read this tibit:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 234239.htm

[SuburbanFarmer]

That is a super cool website thanks.

[heydaralon]

One of the main ways to prevent the plague from spreading is to stomp any and all small rodents in your house to death. Sorry son, but Ricky the gerbil gets the boot. Stomp.

What about Princess the guinea pig? American History X stomp. Squirrels can be left alone, unless they get within 100 yards from your house. Then a simple pellet gun will do the trick. Stomping chinchillas is a bit trickier, and it might be time to invest in something like sperry's or rubber boots for the crushing because a steel toed boot may cause the bones to pierce the hide, and the fur pelt will not be worth as much as the trading post. Chinchilla fur is very prized and soft. Worth a pretty penny. Chinchillas might be better off being drowned idk.

Keep in mind, this is only in a life and death situation where the plague has spread throughout your city and over 1/3 of the population is dead. At that point, animal rights will be a bourgeoisie concept that will be jettisoned with all other aspects of our modern pampered existence. I am not advocating the harm of small animals unless this scenario comes into fruition. Even then, I'm not sure I'd have the constitution to stomp a rodent to death, as they are near and dear to my heart. I don't even eat meat or eggs. I don't want to even think about this anymore because it hurts me too much.

[de officiis]

I’m not struggling with the concept of bacterial infection. I’m wondering why a certain strain suddenly had the power to wipe out 1/3 of Europe, and whether we’re more immune now.

There's no immunity to bacteria, it's not a virus, any bacterial infection can kill you.

I don’t think that’s true. Else we’d be infested and dead within days of a papercut.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/2 ... 42/related

[Penner]

One of the main ways to prevent the plague from spreading is to stomp any and all small rodents in your house to death. Sorry son, but Ricky the gerbil gets the boot. Stomp.

What about Princess the guinea pig? American History X stomp. Squirrels can be left alone, unless they get within 100 yards from your house. Then a simple pellet gun will do the trick. Stomping chinchillas is a bit trickier, and it might be time to invest in something like sperry's or rubber boots for the crushing because a steel toed boot may cause the bones to pierce the hide, and the fur pelt will not be worth as much as the trading post. Chinchilla fur is very prized and soft. Worth a pretty penny. Chinchillas might be better off being drowned idk.

Keep in mind, this is only in a life and death situation where the plague has spread throughout your city and over 1/3 of the population is dead. At that point, animal rights will be a bourgeoisie concept that will be jettisoned with all other aspects of our modern pampered existence. I am not advocating the harm of small animals unless this scenario comes into fruition. Even then, I'm not sure I'd have the constitution to stomp a rodent to death, as they are near and dear to my heart. I don't even eat meat or eggs. I don't want to even think about this anymore because it hurts me too much.

Peru already has a dish called Cuy:

[heydaralon]

*How could I even begin to tell my son or daughter that their pet hamster is about to be crushed by my foot so that we don't die of bubonic plague? I would have told them weeks before to release the animal into the yard to keep us all safe. If they disobeyed me and kept it, I would have to make a tough decision. A decision no parent should have to make. I put on my workboots. They are thick and the soles are hard so I will hear every hamster bone give way. The plague has already caused their mother to get black boils under her armpit, and I saw her petting that hamster that has been rooting around in cage full of wood shavings and shit. All kinds of parasites have had time to lay eggs in that shitnest and the larvae are hatching. Why didn't they clean out the cage like I told them to? I wrote a chore chart on the whiteboard that outlined everyone's job for the week, and my son was supposed to clean out that cage, but he never got around to it. He had many attempts to save that rodent's life. Its not all on me. Maybe I should make him crush his pet hamster. Their mom is being kept in a boarded up bedroom and is wheezing and coughing from the plague. She has taken a turn for the worse and we are out of penicillin. This is a nightmare Oregon Trail situation. No one is to go near her, even with a gas mask. Please god, tell me this isn't the end. The hamster bit me as I took it out of the cage. I already told the kids to leave the room. No need to scar them with this experience. Like a good father, I will take the full weight of this on my conscience. I set it down on some newspapers. The papers will have to be burned outside along with the shoes after I finish this grim business. The shoe comes down. I hear a shriek. I bring my boot down again. Its over thank god. I will never forget that sound for as long as I live. I can't live with what I have done. Taking a life is a man's game, and I have been baptized in blood. Reborn. I leave the house with my children inside. I can't deal with this anymore. There is a full pantry of food with a can opener which I leave for them. I only take the rations I need. They must learn how to deal with loss themselves. I have done all I can for them. As I leave my suburbs, I realize that I will never see my family again. How can I face my children after doing such a terrible thing to our beloved pet Rainbow? He was a chinese dwarf hamster. I loved Rainbow.



*excerpt from William Forstchen's new book: Pet'sMart Plague, Penguin Audio books 2009

[Smitty-48]

There's no immunity to bacteria, it's not a virus, any bacterial infection can kill you.

I don’t think that’s true. Else we’d be infested and dead within days of a papercut.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/2 ... 42/related

If you are want to trust your life, and more importantly the lives of your team, to that vaccine, be my guest, I personally would not, if in plague hot zone, I would recommend CBRN TOPP High.

I wouldn't worry about a pandemic, but if you're actually in the hot zone, I wouldn't bet on "hey, I have some antibodies in my system, and no way that could be overwhelmed upon exposure, those antibodies are surely invincible in the face of all strains of plague everywhere..."

And in fact, in the event of bacterial infection, yes, a papercut can indeed kill you, within days, and even if you go to the hospital, you'd be surprised how often and how quickly they start talking about amputation in the face of a runaway infection.

It can sneak up on you fast, make no mistake, day one; you have a papercut, day two; hotdog finger, day three; your whole arm is swollen to the shoulder, day four; amputation.

There's an eleven year old girl just down the road from here, back in the spring she went to emerg for the "flu", turned out to be Strep-A bacteria, three days later they took off an arm and a leg to save her life.

[SuburbanFarmer]

I don’t think that’s true. Else we’d be infested and dead within days of a papercut.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/2 ... 42/related

If you are want to trust your life, and more importantly the lives of your team, to that vaccine, be my guest, I personally would not, if in plague hot zone, I would recommend CBRN TOPP High.

I wouldn't worry about a pandemic, but if you're actually in the hot zone, I wouldn't bet on "hey, I have some antibodies in my system, and no way that could be overwhelmed upon exposure, those antibodies are surely invincible in the face of all strains of plague everywhere..."

And in fact, in the event of bacterial infection, yes, a papercut can indeed kill you, within days, and even if you go to the hospital, you'd be surprised how often and how quickly they start talking about amputation in the face of a runaway infection.

It can sneak up on you fast, make no mistake, day one; you have a papercut, day two; hotdog finger, day three; your whole arm is swollen to the shoulder, day four; amputation.

There's an eleven year old girl just down the road from here, back in the spring she went to emerg for the "flu", turned out to be Strep-A bacteria, three days later they took off an arm and a leg to save her life.

We should really share some antibiotic technology with the northern tribes, but they just can't seem to afford the payments. Besides, their herd immunity will help us Southrons in the event of bacterial pandemic.

[katarn]

It's a bacteria not a virus, it can't be wiped out, it's always around everywhere, just don't wallow in rats and fleas and you'll be fine.

I think that most people have assumed that it was a freak mutation that created the Black Death, not the generic, base bacterium.

Would you presume that we're all immune to this strain, given our shared European heritage?

I don't think anyone assumed it was a mutation at all- most people who know anything about it know only what schools teach, and schools never teach about mutation as a factor. They instead emphasis squalor and normal bacteria as the culprits.