Well I’m not a hundred percent, but I think they suppressed fire to protect timber and other interests.Speaker to Animals wrote:JohnDonne wrote:The idea of allowing forests to burn is actually relatively new policy, not sure it makes sense to discount “overgrowth” as a factor when we’ve been suppressing fires for a century.Speaker to Animals wrote:On federal land, they generally just let the fires burn. So it's not the "overgrowth" that is the problem in fires that start there, and most other places are too developed for "overgrowth" to be a factor.
Arson is actually pretty common. During extreme drouts it can become quite deadly and make the news. Usually it barely registers.
When you say other places are too developed for “Overgrowth” do you mean private lands?
I am pretty sure it's always been like that in the national forests. We didn't even have the ability to put out major fires until recently anyway. Putting out a huge wildfire up in the mountains in the middle of a forest is not easy.
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Economically from you to me to hash. Racially from you to me to hashNukedog wrote:Define "all classes."
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So white people.
Yeah got it.
Again, whatever happens, the white working class is under attack. It doesn't matter if it's a hurricane, blacks get coddled with our taxes, it doesn't matter if it's a country music concert, whites get gun legislation that blacks don't care about, it doesn't matter if it's a wildfire, blacks don't even live there and if they did it would be comped, and it doesn't matter if SJW commies take over the campuses because obvious reasons. Whites are always the ones that have to shoulder the load and move on while calling their kith and kin racist. Every fucking time.
Yeah got it.
Again, whatever happens, the white working class is under attack. It doesn't matter if it's a hurricane, blacks get coddled with our taxes, it doesn't matter if it's a country music concert, whites get gun legislation that blacks don't care about, it doesn't matter if it's a wildfire, blacks don't even live there and if they did it would be comped, and it doesn't matter if SJW commies take over the campuses because obvious reasons. Whites are always the ones that have to shoulder the load and move on while calling their kith and kin racist. Every fucking time.
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Here's a good article on this subject.
This problem is simple to understand, Greenies started suing to stop timber sales in the mid-late 80s(Remember the Spotted Owl*), and the plastic shopping bags that are the scourge of waterways around the world were introduced by Greenies to 'save the trees'.
Prior to that, we didn't have these issues, because the Forests were managed. 30 years later, things are so out of control that once a fire starts it becomes a monumental task to shut them down. Plus this is stupid. Instead of thinning timber and keeping a steady supply of low cost lumber available for American consumers to build homes, and business to export, we let it burn. Then we pay, pay a lot to put out the fires. The cost to the US Taxpayer for Wildland Fire Suppression in 2016 was $1,975,545,000. It also cost the lives of 71 Firefighters.
https://www.nifc.gov/fireInfo/fireInfo_ ... pCosts.pdf
*The Spotted Owl and using Endangered Species like a hammer to force the results Greenies want.
Fraud on the part of Environmentalists is well documented including confessions of planting biological material and falsifying sighting and counts to skew surveys. You can read about it in the links below.
http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=7242
https://www.westernjournalism.com/envir ... -frauds/8/
This is simple folks, Environmentalists are Watermelons, Green on the outside and Red at the Core. Like every other stupid cause these Lefties come up with, you can assure yourself it will hurt average people. Environmentalism is as damaging and filled with lies as Feminism.
I don't know if you guys are aware, but almost every single timber sale will be drug into court by Environmental Lawyers to stop the action. Why, because there is a great deal of money in it. Enviro Lawyers can create a career for themselves due to a late 70s law that allows a Non Profit group to sue the Federal Govt and the Feds will pay all there expenses, including absurd hourly rates.the size and intensity of the fires have dramatically increased in recent years due, in large measure, to the gross mismanagement of the national forests by the U.S. Forest Service and the incessant lawsuits of radical environmentalists that have thwarted all reasonable attempts at proper forest management.........
Rep. Chenoweth fought heroically to reverse the many destructive federal policies that are destroying the health of our national forests, but with little success against the huge, well-funded Green Lobby that would rather see the forests burn down than have human beings obtain any benefit from them.
https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/env ... phic-fires
This problem is simple to understand, Greenies started suing to stop timber sales in the mid-late 80s(Remember the Spotted Owl*), and the plastic shopping bags that are the scourge of waterways around the world were introduced by Greenies to 'save the trees'.
Prior to that, we didn't have these issues, because the Forests were managed. 30 years later, things are so out of control that once a fire starts it becomes a monumental task to shut them down. Plus this is stupid. Instead of thinning timber and keeping a steady supply of low cost lumber available for American consumers to build homes, and business to export, we let it burn. Then we pay, pay a lot to put out the fires. The cost to the US Taxpayer for Wildland Fire Suppression in 2016 was $1,975,545,000. It also cost the lives of 71 Firefighters.
https://www.nifc.gov/fireInfo/fireInfo_ ... pCosts.pdf
*The Spotted Owl and using Endangered Species like a hammer to force the results Greenies want.
Fraud on the part of Environmentalists is well documented including confessions of planting biological material and falsifying sighting and counts to skew surveys. You can read about it in the links below.
http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=7242
https://www.westernjournalism.com/envir ... -frauds/8/
This is simple folks, Environmentalists are Watermelons, Green on the outside and Red at the Core. Like every other stupid cause these Lefties come up with, you can assure yourself it will hurt average people. Environmentalism is as damaging and filled with lies as Feminism.
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You’re assigning malicious intent, where stupidity will do just fine.
Those people really do care about the earth, even if they aren’t great at seeing the whole picture.
Those people really do care about the earth, even if they aren’t great at seeing the whole picture.
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Some do care, some are just in it for money, the bulk of them are in it for a bullshit utopian vision.GrumpyCatFace wrote:You’re assigning malicious intent, where stupidity will do just fine.
Those people really do care about the earth, even if they aren’t great at seeing the whole picture.
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I've only seen two possible causes of recent fires.
1. Power Lines
2. Mexican Drug Cartels......... here's the story on that
http://gotnews.com/exclusive-law-enforc ... wildfires/
1. Power Lines
2. Mexican Drug Cartels......... here's the story on that
http://gotnews.com/exclusive-law-enforc ... wildfires/
Law enforcement authorities – including senior Department of Homeland Security officials – and key people within the legal marijuana business quickly noticed that the areas hit hardest by the fires are the same places that California’s marijuana industry legally grows cannabis, and are now starting to suspect foul play.
The suspicious timing and sheer destruction of the fires has led them to believe the Mexican drug cartels – infamous for their ruthless tactics – had a hand in starting them. These cartels, which run a large share of the world’s multi-billion dollar illegal drug trade, certainly have the means to pull of an attack like this.
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So legalized weed has cost over 30 lives in California thus far?
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If Homeland Security's suspicions hold true, yes.Speaker to Animals wrote:So legalized weed has cost over 30 lives in California thus far?
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We should probably base all our laws on what drug cartels want to propitiate them.
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Her needs America so they won't just take his shit away like in some pussy non gun totting countries can happen.
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